Message from @Bukkaking

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2018-12-02 05:45:43 UTC  

But I wouldn't trust soft armor to stop much of anything

2018-12-02 05:45:56 UTC  

given the phsycial and material limitations of textile armors

2018-12-02 05:46:02 UTC  

IIIA will stop 9mm +P loads

2018-12-02 05:46:08 UTC  

not IIA

2018-12-02 05:46:27 UTC  

only one 9mm +P I know of that will pen IIIA

2018-12-02 05:46:35 UTC  

that isnt AP

2018-12-02 05:46:35 UTC  

I wonder how IIIA fares against things like Tokarev.

2018-12-02 05:46:36 UTC  

per se

2018-12-02 05:46:49 UTC  

it does fine against handguns

2018-12-02 05:47:00 UTC  

Let's assume you are in an urban environment like a street cop, a 3A vest will stop the most common firearms threats you are liklely to encounter

2018-12-02 05:47:10 UTC  

7.62x25 Tokarev is a far cry from a 9mm +P in just about every way though

2018-12-02 05:47:24 UTC  

and would be more effective in the majority of situations vice a veramic hardplate

2018-12-02 05:48:05 UTC  

if you are in a combat zone against enemies armed with rifle threats and long range, a ceramic hardplate would make sense

2018-12-02 05:48:09 UTC  

I think I've made it clear what some nig doing a few shots to an unknown condition SINGLE plate is worth.

2018-12-02 05:48:51 UTC  

Bukka, depends on where you're a beat cop

2018-12-02 05:48:52 UTC  

well, in real conditions, that's what happens

2018-12-02 05:49:00 UTC  

unknow condition plate

2018-12-02 05:49:04 UTC  

few shots

2018-12-02 05:49:12 UTC  

a 3A vest would offer more than twice the area coverage effective against your most likely threat

2018-12-02 05:49:17 UTC  

versus a rifle plate

2018-12-02 05:49:18 UTC  

Which is why NIJ test do conditioned plates to test the threats

2018-12-02 05:49:40 UTC  

And produce the VD50 or whatever the fuck, which is where 50% of threats penetrate

2018-12-02 05:50:21 UTC  

Turns out the NIJ knows how to test body armor to replicate "real" conditions and do so in a far more empirical manner.

2018-12-02 05:50:33 UTC  

so I would take the 3A which will stop all handgun threats and 99.9% of .22LR versus a rifle plate which will only cover less than half of my torso

2018-12-02 05:50:46 UTC  

You know you can wear both, right?

2018-12-02 05:50:50 UTC  

question

2018-12-02 05:50:58 UTC  

have you worn both before?

2018-12-02 05:51:03 UTC  

Yep

2018-12-02 05:51:09 UTC  

and conducted daily activity

2018-12-02 05:51:13 UTC  

or just play time?

2018-12-02 05:51:16 UTC  

and training?

2018-12-02 05:51:30 UTC  

Not daily, but a good amount of activity to see how much of an impediment it was.

2018-12-02 05:51:33 UTC  

ok

2018-12-02 05:51:44 UTC  

well I wear 3A on a daily basis with an option for plates if I choose

2018-12-02 05:52:01 UTC  

I don't wear plates because they significantly limit my mobility

2018-12-02 05:52:18 UTC  

^

2018-12-02 05:52:19 UTC  

and my chances of encountering a rifle threat are far lower than handgun

2018-12-02 05:52:27 UTC  

What do you do for a living?

2018-12-02 05:52:30 UTC  

If you don't mind

2018-12-02 05:52:44 UTC  

try getting in and out of a car about 20-30 times a day with plates on