Message from @stem

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2020-03-11 15:34:30 UTC  

erasmian is shit

2020-03-11 15:34:34 UTC  

and of course, it's easier to learn

2020-03-11 15:34:36 UTC  

not even close to classical

2020-03-11 15:34:45 UTC  

tell us stem

2020-03-11 15:34:50 UTC  

well

2020-03-11 15:34:55 UTC  

is scholarly close

2020-03-11 15:35:04 UTC  

if you look at the pronunciation guides on wiktionary.org

2020-03-11 15:35:22 UTC  

they have 5th century bc attic

2020-03-11 15:35:31 UTC  

which i think is considered classical

2020-03-11 15:35:36 UTC  

but that's not erasmian

2020-03-11 15:36:01 UTC  

Erasmus' reconstruction of Ancient Greek phonology, as modified in practice for teaching Greek in Western schools: Pronunciation of Ancient Greek in teaching

The scholarly reconstruction of Ancient Greek phonology: Ancient Greek phonology

Modern Greek pronunciation applied to Ancient Greek ("Reuchlinian" pronunciation):

2020-03-11 15:36:19 UTC  

@stem Provide some examples

2020-03-11 15:36:29 UTC  

i forgot the erasmian

2020-03-11 15:36:33 UTC  

but i was learning it

2020-03-11 15:36:41 UTC  

and i noticed the classical was different

2020-03-11 15:36:51 UTC  

The Chad Johann Reuchlin <:ahem:639979147782914084>

2020-03-11 15:36:56 UTC  

venis

2020-03-11 15:36:56 UTC  

vs benis

2020-03-11 15:37:37 UTC  

i looked at the pronunciation guides on greek learning guides

2020-03-11 15:37:43 UTC  

How would you know what classical sounded like if erasmian is the closest we have to classical

2020-03-11 15:37:56 UTC  

and they basically don't understand the difference, for example, between omicron and omega

2020-03-11 15:38:10 UTC  

ο and ω

2020-03-11 15:38:25 UTC  

and epsilon and eta

2020-03-11 15:38:37 UTC  

Isn't omega just a longer o

2020-03-11 15:38:45 UTC  

Cons of Erasmian:

It's not quite fully there with the scholarly reconstruction of Greek; so some of the phonology and morphology of Ancient Greek still doesn't make sense. Particularly with diphthongs, and aspiration, if your local Erasmian doesn't do them accurately.
Extreme variability from country to country, because of the concessions each country's teaching system makes to the local language.
Speak in Erasmian to a Greek, and they'll look at you like a space alien. Or even worse, a German. Now, if you're speaking Ancient Greek to a Greek, you deserve to be looked at like a space alien. But they will genuinely have no idea what you are saying, or what language you are saying it in. Even diehard turncoats like me cannot help themselves from reading Ancient Greek out with modern pronunciation, if they speak Modern Greek: we need all the help we can get.
It's quite far from Koine. Koine was still in flux, and some critical changes were underway when the bit of Koine most people care about (New Testament) was spoken. But overall, Koine was much closer to Modern Greek than Homeric.

2020-03-11 15:38:47 UTC  

ε and η

2020-03-11 15:38:52 UTC  

omega is not just longer

2020-03-11 15:39:03 UTC  

And η just a longer eee

2020-03-11 15:39:09 UTC  

That's what I learned from my n Erasmus

2020-03-11 15:39:13 UTC  

your tongue goes in a different place

2020-03-11 15:39:20 UTC  

see, modern greek has simplified a lot

2020-03-11 15:39:50 UTC  

look at the chart here

2020-03-11 15:39:53 UTC  

it's more like a child would say it

2020-03-11 15:40:01 UTC  

Yes I know

2020-03-11 15:40:08 UTC  

Iotacization too

2020-03-11 15:40:20 UTC  

the symbols are using the international phonetic alphabet

2020-03-11 15:40:32 UTC  

wtf is Iotacization

2020-03-11 15:40:41 UTC  

@Banjod Don't google it sir

2020-03-11 15:40:52 UTC  

I do