even if it's environmental to a total degree

what's the difference

It not being permanent is more proof it's environmental

You going to come in as the white savior and fix all these communities?

>it not being permanent

what not being permanent?

The difference is that ideas aren't innate

He acts like white have a responsibility to save the blacks from their own toxic culture.

wow you're autistic about this

it literally doesn't matter what ideas they have, they will tend on the whole towards a certain set of behaviors

@Tony_Swann no, I act as if treating someone as anything other than an individual is idiotic

@randomNPCno3 dude, the INCREASE in IQ from education is what isn't permanent. they revert back to the lower IQ after they leave collage.

<@!593608499926269958> but it's not really an increase in G

and their spatial portion of the test basically doesn't chaneg

only the Math and Verbal section

@randomNPCno3 people ARE. NOT. PURELY. INDIVIDUALS. I know thats your fantasy but you are dead wrong

especially not 80 IQ "individuals"

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weird AMerican blacks with more white ancestry have a higer IQ than African blacks

But I bet that's just the magic nation of the US

they get more stimulation in their street gangs

so instead of a 70's IQ, they've got an 80's IQ

Does this guy believe in evolution?

He doesn't believe in Race

and wants to go back that people can have their own ideas

and the difference between ideas and actions... as if it makes any difference when we're talking about group behavioral differences, but whatever

If so how can he possibly believe that all races have the same IQ potential or even the same innate behaviours at the same IQ level if they evolved in isolation?

Well, this started because I brought up IQ

because he was denying that any group or person could have a propensity for a certain belief or behavior

specifically in reference to politics

IQ is so important to dispelling the myths of race egalitarianism.

My point of bringing up IQ, was that if you believe in IQ, then you should have no problem understanding how people can have innate behavioral predispositions...

I believe in race, thanks again for putting words in my mouth, I don't believe it makes it impossible to change someone's mind, and yes I believe in evolution

predispositions that might make them say, be more tribal and less trusting of outsiders, or say be more likely to want order and conformity....

You say you believe in race, but every specific thing you say about it you say is, "muh enviornment"

@randomNPCno3 operating politically like changing the behaviour of an entire race is possible or desirable is insane.

not that it really makes a difference for what we see in the world

as I asked, even if it is enviornmental you going to go in and force them all to change?

I'm supposed to accept their bedhavior or be tolerant of them because Thomas Sowell exists?

Either way you end up in the same place unless you think it's our duty to pull these people out of their own troubles...Which I suspect you do not...

@randomNPCno3 blacks did better under Jim Crow because whites used authoritarianism to FORCe black to live according to a white social norm. Now that they aren't under that system they have done literally the opposite of what you are suggesting. You can't persuade them to change you can only force them to.