particularly concerning wages, but thats another story

immigrants are a net benefit to our economy

again, incorrect but you're straying from the point

not incorrect

look at the actual data

(i know, i'm a 'science simp')

are you just gonna go off on some dumb tangent about something i can debunk again or do you wanna stick to the actual convo?

there is a very, very, very small, like 2% downtick in certain wages

i have actual data on economics btw if ur really interested

but overall, it is a massive boon to the economy

alrigght guess we're doing this then

gimme a moment

are you gonna give me brainlet Sargon data

no i've got actual economic journals for you

where it says that service jobs have a very small downtick

because oddly enough this caricature you have made of your political opponents has very little validity and most people here actually have an education in economics or etc

oh i'm sure

your side is the super-logical one

also, can't i just say that any study you link, or any data you link is BS because i don't agree with it?

that seems to be what most people here do

Camarota, Richwine, and Zeigler (2018): There are No Jobs Americans Won't Do)
https://cis.org/Report/There-Are-No-Jobs-Americans-Wont-Do

i don't think it's necessarily just that "immigrants do jobs americans won't do"

This shows that of all 474 occupations in the united states, only six are majority immigrant (both legal and illegal). Those six count for only 1% of the american workforce and even in all of those individual fields, 46% of the workers are american born

that's kind of a separate argument

yeah i figured that since most of your ilk argue that, i'd get it out of the way first

are you citing that to prove immirgation is not a net benefit to our economy?

lol most of my ilk

> yeah i figured that since most of your ilk argue that, i'd get it out of the way first
@BIGMAN

i think that immigrant-dominated jobs are usually that way because corporations are able to keep wages inhumanely low in those fields by doing so, not that americans wouldn't do them

and i don't think that argument factors into whether or not it's a net benefit to our economy

As for immigration and wages, what you often see in both the USA and UK are foreign workers that are able to operate at a much lower cost (subsequently outcompeting native workers) as they are also willing to lower their living standards in order to both optimise profit margins and outcompete the native workers in terms of price

the most common way that this is done is by squatting in an abandoned house, sharing houses and housing costs, etc etc

^ exactly

massive problem in the uk

but i think that's immoral, and based on exploitation

not because they are coming in and filling a need

that's why we need regulatory protections for workers like that

In terms of higher skilled immigration, it selfishly removes the much needed professional workforce from third world countries that crucially needs them, and instead uses them to prop up our own bloated government welfare programs (which i think are a good thing btw we just need to reorganise them) - it also displaces high skilled native workers from the workforce naturally

immigrants don't choose to come in and keep their costs low, they are forced to work those jobs

We tried to regulate that but it does nothing

that entire approach failed in the UK