Message from @somniostatic
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are you gonna give me brainlet Sargon data
no i've got actual economic journals for you
where it says that service jobs have a very small downtick
because oddly enough this caricature you have made of your political opponents has very little validity and most people here actually have an education in economics or etc
oh i'm sure
your side is the super-logical one
also, can't i just say that any study you link, or any data you link is BS because i don't agree with it?
that seems to be what most people here do
Camarota, Richwine, and Zeigler (2018): There are No Jobs Americans Won't Do)
https://cis.org/Report/There-Are-No-Jobs-Americans-Wont-Do
i don't think it's necessarily just that "immigrants do jobs americans won't do"
This shows that of all 474 occupations in the united states, only six are majority immigrant (both legal and illegal). Those six count for only 1% of the american workforce and even in all of those individual fields, 46% of the workers are american born
that's kind of a separate argument
yeah i figured that since most of your ilk argue that, i'd get it out of the way first
are you citing that to prove immirgation is not a net benefit to our economy?
lol most of my ilk
> yeah i figured that since most of your ilk argue that, i'd get it out of the way first
@BIGMAN
i think that immigrant-dominated jobs are usually that way because corporations are able to keep wages inhumanely low in those fields by doing so, not that americans wouldn't do them
and i don't think that argument factors into whether or not it's a net benefit to our economy
As for immigration and wages, what you often see in both the USA and UK are foreign workers that are able to operate at a much lower cost (subsequently outcompeting native workers) as they are also willing to lower their living standards in order to both optimise profit margins and outcompete the native workers in terms of price
the most common way that this is done is by squatting in an abandoned house, sharing houses and housing costs, etc etc
massive problem in the uk
but i think that's immoral, and based on exploitation
not because they are coming in and filling a need
that's why we need regulatory protections for workers like that
In terms of higher skilled immigration, it selfishly removes the much needed professional workforce from third world countries that crucially needs them, and instead uses them to prop up our own bloated government welfare programs (which i think are a good thing btw we just need to reorganise them) - it also displaces high skilled native workers from the workforce naturally
immigrants don't choose to come in and keep their costs low, they are forced to work those jobs
We tried to regulate that but it does nothing
that entire approach failed in the UK
because both the immigrants and employers don't care about regulations
the immigrants are happy working cheaper and living with lower standards since it's still better than their home country
the businesses are happy because they've got cheap labour and fatter profit margins
that sounds like regulations were just failed to be enforced though
not that they just didn't work
we've had all sorts of regulations ever since the 50s when we introduced Windrush immigration
the idea itself just simply doesn't work
if the UK is anything like the USA, any regulations put in place are basically ignored
and may as well never had them
not to mention that it doesn't address the overarching wage depreciation caused by an outright greater supply of labour
the UK is notorious for having overregulation
so is the USA