So basically an IFV with a tow hitch.

Or an APC with a tow hitch so you can truck the crew and the gun

yh

Why not just a portee?

Or do you mean that the tow vehicle can provide direct fire support for the gun crew?

My absolute favourite what if is the IV project W

You have an 80mm upper plate, sloped, 50mm sides, sloped, and vastly simpler production, and actually *increase* the space in the hull

Combined with the simpler box turret

Cancelled in late 44, sadly

Nah

The Pz.IV was long past its expiry date

It still worked

It doesn’t have to compete with IS-2’s and Pershings, it’s dealing with Sherman’s and T-34’s

All the mods needed to make it actually modernised and fit for future proofing would be so drastic you might as well make a new tank, hence the Panther

You don’t need a future proof tank

The suspension, engine, internal layout, etc

>You don’t need a future proof tank

You need a tank *NOW* and you need an adequate one

Okay retard

Then you get the T-34 which was shit

Germany didn't have the blessing of being able to pump shit out non stop

Unless it was the 109

Which was weirdly what they needed

Hmm

Big think

More of a good tank right now and worry about the big shit later

Another upgrade to the stop-gap Pz.IV wasn't what germany needed on the ground

They needed more tanks on the ground

More good tanks

The Panther was great despite its flaws, its just the crew training and deployment suffered in late war

So you’re implying that 80mm of sloped armour combined with a gun that *works*, instead of the IV H they *continued* to produce

Would be a bad idea

So a Panther, got it

I’m not saying “stop making panthers and make this”

Actually yeah true the panther had the same armour

Huh

Anyway my point is they should have gone with it instead of the H/J

The Panther is what they needed. They didn't want Ausf H's but retooling for two completely new tanks is retarded

They re-tooled for the J, slightly