*pig iron on their diiicks*

The Panzer'd not turned turret for a shell had fairly ripped, and the Russians aim was deadly with the pig iron on their dicks

PzIV had 50mm of armor before the F series applique plates added another 30mm, G/H series had factory 80mm plates.

Tiger had like... 102mm

Panther and KT had ungodly amounts of armor, BUT, hilariously enough, one of the most armored tanks of WWII was actually the Hetzer.

It had like 120mm effective

Also can we just talk about the Hetzer Kugelblitz that was proposed?

The Hetzer one?

The tiger's armor was ok when it came out but it was outclassed by new tank guns that could easily engage 102mm of unsloped armor at long range by the time the western front opened

It would have been a good method of moving an 8,8 around except for all the engine, transmission, ext issue

So the Hetzer kugelblitz was basically the Kugelblitz turret mounted on further modified Pz 38(t) chassis?

>Hetzer Kugelblitz

Too bad the Hetzer was fucking cramped as shit tho

Also how effective would an E-10 actually be?

The little ambush casemate twin barrel rocket TD

Probably not very. The E25 would have been a fucking monster though.

Tho a towed gun tractor that can back up its gun would be cool

A what?

So basically an IFV with a tow hitch.

Or an APC with a tow hitch so you can truck the crew and the gun

yh

Why not just a portee?

Or do you mean that the tow vehicle can provide direct fire support for the gun crew?

My absolute favourite what if is the IV project W

You have an 80mm upper plate, sloped, 50mm sides, sloped, and vastly simpler production, and actually *increase* the space in the hull

Combined with the simpler box turret

Cancelled in late 44, sadly

Nah

The Pz.IV was long past its expiry date

It still worked

It doesn’t have to compete with IS-2’s and Pershings, it’s dealing with Sherman’s and T-34’s

All the mods needed to make it actually modernised and fit for future proofing would be so drastic you might as well make a new tank, hence the Panther

You don’t need a future proof tank

The suspension, engine, internal layout, etc

>You don’t need a future proof tank

You need a tank *NOW* and you need an adequate one

Okay retard

Then you get the T-34 which was shit

Germany didn't have the blessing of being able to pump shit out non stop