Message from @Reichtangle
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The Pz.IV was long past its expiry date
It still worked
It doesn’t have to compete with IS-2’s and Pershings, it’s dealing with Sherman’s and T-34’s
All the mods needed to make it actually modernised and fit for future proofing would be so drastic you might as well make a new tank, hence the Panther
You don’t need a future proof tank
The suspension, engine, internal layout, etc
>You don’t need a future proof tank
You need a tank *NOW* and you need an adequate one
Okay retard
Then you get the T-34 which was shit
Germany didn't have the blessing of being able to pump shit out non stop
Unless it was the 109
Which was weirdly what they needed
Hmm
Big think
More of a good tank right now and worry about the big shit later
Another upgrade to the stop-gap Pz.IV wasn't what germany needed on the ground
They needed more tanks on the ground
More good tanks
The Panther was great despite its flaws, its just the crew training and deployment suffered in late war
So you’re implying that 80mm of sloped armour combined with a gun that *works*, instead of the IV H they *continued* to produce
Would be a bad idea
So a Panther, got it
I’m not saying “stop making panthers and make this”
Actually yeah true the panther had the same armour
Huh
Anyway my point is they should have gone with it instead of the H/J
The Panther is what they needed. They didn't want Ausf H's but retooling for two completely new tanks is retarded
They re-tooled for the J, slightly
And you wouldn’t need to re-tool for many new parts
>completely redone chasis wouldn't need retooling
It shares the front plate with the *already in production* Jagdpanzer IV, and internals and suspension with the H
That was the point
The JagPan has a hole in it's plate
🤔
Yes
So when you make it
Hmm, i guess they just don't cut it then
^^^
Bingo
Tiger is gay, they should have just made panthers earlier and had an open top Panther with an 88