too many HK clones by HK

The USP isn't all that expensive you know

I like .45 but I feel like you can do the same thing with 9mm +P JHP

Theyre around the same price range as the P2000/P30.
I just have actually handled a P2000 and a P30L and I prefer them over a USP which I have only handled 1 of for 1 entire 13 round mag of 45ACP

Isn't the P2000 basically a better versions of the USP Compact anyway?

no

the USPs are +P rated

What's the difference?

I imagine the P2000/P30 would be better seeing as how the purpose was to improve the ergo of the pistol over the USP

Ah

No the P30SK is a better version of the P2000 Compact.

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The P2000 and the P30 share internal design and parts, while the USP is it's own thing

Alright, what's the actual difference between the two?

The P30 was originally called the P3000

And in all honesty

Parts availability and arguably better ergonomics

So, in short, they took the USP and then they improved it to the point where it no longer used USP parts?

The P20/P30 look a lot more comfortable than the USP.

P30 is like the hammer fired VP9

I don't even know anymore, HK looks like it loves to confuse people with their variants

All of their handguns after the USP look like a USP with different grips, lets be real here.

Not necessarily @Vanilla Cake coz the USP is still valid and still pretty damn good. It's just chonky.
The P2000 was it's own thing entirely and sprouted it's own little lineage of the P30 which is inspired ergonomically by the VP9 and it has a hammered action instead of striker fired.

The USP is kinda the HK P226 with all of its chonk

HK USP -> HK P2000 -> HK45

STEEL GUN

Oh neat the USP has integral recoil reduction

HK USP -> HK P2000 -> HK45
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P30

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So what, exactly, is the difference between the P30 and the USP besides ergos?

Internals, apparently

Technically, the P30 is similar to the Heckler & Koch P2000 pistol; the differences are in exterior appearance and ergonomics. The basic design is derived from the Heckler & Koch P2000 and Heckler & Koch USP Compact pistols.

So it's not a USP, it just looks like one

It's a descendant of the P2000 and reflects the P2000 with, well almost everything but with even better ergonomics than the P2000 and the P2000 had better ergos than the USP

Just like 90% of HK pistols after they made the USP

I literally said the same thing Vanilla

Everything after the USP is just a USP with extra features

Oh no, I'm aware, I'm just echoing it

Also, I'm surprised HK didn't keep up with 4.73x33

there was no money to do so

After the round was made from the new explosive compound there wasn't anything wrong with the projectile itself.