Nah the grip isn't as retarded as a webley's

Or maybe a Cimaron

@Magos Squid "The Life Raft" if you're seriously considering .380, have you watched ShootingTheBull410's .380 ammo test roundup?

Get the REAL cowboy gat, a Colt Single Action Army

I unironically want a Colt Dragoon though

@MAC21500 nope because I still have my sights set on a 9x19 P2000/P30

So basically a HK generic brand USP

USP =/= P2000/P30

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Also the generic/popular USP is the USP45

It's a USP but you don't get to call it a USP because you're a filthy poor

USP45, HK45...

too many HK clones by HK

The USP isn't all that expensive you know

I like .45 but I feel like you can do the same thing with 9mm +P JHP

Theyre around the same price range as the P2000/P30.
I just have actually handled a P2000 and a P30L and I prefer them over a USP which I have only handled 1 of for 1 entire 13 round mag of 45ACP

Isn't the P2000 basically a better versions of the USP Compact anyway?

no

the USPs are +P rated

What's the difference?

I imagine the P2000/P30 would be better seeing as how the purpose was to improve the ergo of the pistol over the USP

Ah

No the P30SK is a better version of the P2000 Compact.

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The P2000 and the P30 share internal design and parts, while the USP is it's own thing

Alright, what's the actual difference between the two?

The P30 was originally called the P3000

And in all honesty

Parts availability and arguably better ergonomics

So, in short, they took the USP and then they improved it to the point where it no longer used USP parts?

The P20/P30 look a lot more comfortable than the USP.

P30 is like the hammer fired VP9

I don't even know anymore, HK looks like it loves to confuse people with their variants

All of their handguns after the USP look like a USP with different grips, lets be real here.

Not necessarily @Vanilla Cake coz the USP is still valid and still pretty damn good. It's just chonky.
The P2000 was it's own thing entirely and sprouted it's own little lineage of the P30 which is inspired ergonomically by the VP9 and it has a hammered action instead of striker fired.

The USP is kinda the HK P226 with all of its chonk

HK USP -> HK P2000 -> HK45

STEEL GUN

Oh neat the USP has integral recoil reduction

HK USP -> HK P2000 -> HK45
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