Message from @RoflTank

Discord ID: 542652593122574337


2019-02-06 10:18:26 UTC  

Parts availability and arguably better ergonomics

2019-02-06 10:19:29 UTC  

So, in short, they took the USP and then they improved it to the point where it no longer used USP parts?

2019-02-06 10:19:37 UTC  

The P20/P30 look a lot more comfortable than the USP.

2019-02-06 10:19:39 UTC  

P30 is like the hammer fired VP9

2019-02-06 10:20:08 UTC  

I don't even know anymore, HK looks like it loves to confuse people with their variants

2019-02-06 10:21:00 UTC  

All of their handguns after the USP look like a USP with different grips, lets be real here.

2019-02-06 10:21:03 UTC  

Not necessarily @Vanilla Cake coz the USP is still valid and still pretty damn good. It's just chonky.
The P2000 was it's own thing entirely and sprouted it's own little lineage of the P30 which is inspired ergonomically by the VP9 and it has a hammered action instead of striker fired.

2019-02-06 10:21:38 UTC  

The USP is kinda the HK P226 with all of its chonk

2019-02-06 10:21:46 UTC  

HK USP -> HK P2000 -> HK45

2019-02-06 10:21:51 UTC  

STEEL GUN

2019-02-06 10:22:44 UTC  

Oh neat the USP has integral recoil reduction

2019-02-06 10:22:53 UTC  

HK USP -> HK P2000 -> HK45
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P30

2019-02-06 10:23:01 UTC  

^

2019-02-06 10:25:03 UTC  

So what, exactly, is the difference between the P30 and the USP besides ergos?

2019-02-06 10:25:37 UTC  

Internals, apparently

2019-02-06 10:26:05 UTC  

Technically, the P30 is similar to the Heckler & Koch P2000 pistol; the differences are in exterior appearance and ergonomics. The basic design is derived from the Heckler & Koch P2000 and Heckler & Koch USP Compact pistols.

2019-02-06 10:26:25 UTC  

So it's not a USP, it just looks like one

2019-02-06 10:26:36 UTC  

It's a descendant of the P2000 and reflects the P2000 with, well almost everything but with even better ergonomics than the P2000 and the P2000 had better ergos than the USP

2019-02-06 10:26:38 UTC  

Just like 90% of HK pistols after they made the USP

2019-02-06 10:27:30 UTC  

I literally said the same thing Vanilla

2019-02-06 10:27:40 UTC  

Everything after the USP is just a USP with extra features

2019-02-06 10:27:41 UTC  

Oh no, I'm aware, I'm just echoing it

2019-02-06 10:28:03 UTC  

Also, I'm surprised HK didn't keep up with 4.73x33

2019-02-06 10:28:32 UTC  

there was no money to do so

2019-02-06 10:28:42 UTC  

After the round was made from the new explosive compound there wasn't anything wrong with the projectile itself.

2019-02-06 10:28:48 UTC  

no incentive

2019-02-06 10:28:52 UTC  

So, basically what happened with the G11

2019-02-06 10:28:56 UTC  

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Improve on it. <:smugflat:500075410487377922>

2019-02-06 10:28:59 UTC  

I'm just surprised they didn't try to make a pistol or something

2019-02-06 10:29:08 UTC  

Wait

2019-02-06 10:29:10 UTC  

Am big dumb

2019-02-06 10:29:11 UTC  

no incentive to do so

2019-02-06 10:29:28 UTC  

Like a 4.73x33 pistol would be beefy, but you could carry like 25 rounds in the space of like 15 9mm

2019-02-06 10:29:38 UTC  

this was just post cold war

2019-02-06 10:29:45 UTC  

so the need for such a thing didnt exist

2019-02-06 10:29:50 UTC  

It's just strange that they put so much R&D just to drop it

2019-02-06 10:29:59 UTC  

the money disappeared

2019-02-06 10:30:06 UTC  

That's my point

2019-02-06 10:30:21 UTC  

They didn't try to recoup by using it on anything else

2019-02-06 10:30:22 UTC  

I mean, why dump a fuckton of money when there's no threat of invasion?

2019-02-06 10:30:28 UTC  

Demobilization sucks