we could have accepted their surrender terms earlier and not massacred civilians if u think about it

the united states eventually accepted to leave the emporer be as to please the japanese masses and use him as a way to further push their influences

"It is my opinion that the use of the barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan ... The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons"

-Admiral Leahy, chief of staff to both american presidents during ww2

human like weapon, gice him a weapon he will want to use it

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Opinion, not fact

give the fatman tu us military, oh we need something to test it

hiroshima 180k death ? oh it was luck retry it

Even after the atomic bombing, Japan's cabinet and "the big six" were having trouble deciding on surrendering

nagazaki 80k death ? i think its a good weapon

It wasn't until 3 days after Nagasaki that they finally agreed on surrendering

theres also an analysis of the atomic bombs being dropped by the United States Strategic Bombing Survey

do u want that too

Wait, are we *still* going on about the bombs?

What does that have to do with it?

it basically says the atomic bomb nor full scale invasion was not neccesary for japan to surrender

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do u want the entire source

we're speaking about fatman

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1946 review of the surrender of japan and atomic bombings

macron really a son a bitch, one random guy say to macron i don't find work and what he find to return ? he say to the guy, you're just lazy, you just need to cross the road to find work...

its too long lmao

It depends on the time frame, the U.S was starting to lose money quickly from the war and needed to end it fast

"The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs did not defeat Japan, nor by the testimony of the enemy leaders who ended the war did they persuade Japan to accept unconditional surrender. The Emperor, the Lord Privy Seal, the Prime Minister, the Foreign Minister, and the Navy Minister had decided as early as May of 1945 that the war should be ended even if it meant acceptance of defeat on allied terms ...
The mission of the Suzuki government, appointed 7 April 1945, was to make peace. An appearance of negotiating for terms less onerous than unconditional surrender was maintained in order to contain the military and bureaucratic elements still determined on a final Bushido defense, and perhaps even more importantly to obtain freedom to create peace with a minimum of personal danger and internal obstruction. It seems clear, however, that in extremis the peacemakers would have peace, and peace on any terms. This was the gist of advice given to Hirohito by the Jushin in February, the declared conclusion of Kido in April, the underlying reason for Koiso's fall in April, the specific injunction of the Emperor to Suzuki on becoming premier which was known to all members of his cabinet ...
Negotiations for Russia to intercede began the forepart of May 1945 in both Tokyo and Moscow. Konoye, the intended emissary to the Soviets, stated to the Survey that while ostensibly he was to negotiate, he received direct and secret instructions from the Emperor to secure peace at any price, notwithstanding its severity ...

It seems clear ... that air supremacy and its later exploitation over Japan proper was the major factor which determined the timing of Japan's surrender and obviated any need for invasion.
Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945 [the date of the planned American invasion], Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated."

i would have provided a link but this is part of a source so

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Yeah

im sending him the source