I wouldn't really blame anyone for being agnostic either, given the times we live in, where practically everyone and everything is secular, it makes sense that people would be agnostic. I was agnostic for most of my life.

@sopremOTIST ^^^^^^

I’d rather drink horse piss than sodas

By holy wine, are you referring to the blood of Christ?

drink vodka and pepper

it cleans your gut

Because they don't even make the blood of Christ in the first place.

@Vlaaaad I'm British but I live in canada

By mayo are you referring to the sperm of Christ?

@Sister Nassie yes that wine

Wine or Coca Cola, it doesn't matter because it's not the blood of Christ anyway.

@Sister Nassie he's said he's non-christian?

It does matter though

Drink rakija

Who is he to change ancient traditions

Without consulting with other high members of the Anglican Church

No dude, the Church says that if you change the form and/or matter of any traditional rite for the sacraments then it's invalid, including the eucharist.

@Deleted User you still have the same religion as in the uk

Ok

@Sister Nassie when did Francis say he wasn't Christian

He said it with his actions, which speak louder than words.

@Sister Nassie yeah well he changed the form of the rite

@Sister Nassie someone could just as easily argue that the just war principle is the same thing

Theh could say it's heresy

And he wasn’t punished for this

I think it was the Archbishop of Canterbury

He blessed a Redskin goddess in a church

Though he also said it with his words by saying that converting people is a bad thing, embracing indifferentism, embracing homosexuality, and so on.

Ok

No, the Just War Principle is a very old Church doctrine.

How old?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_war_theory#Christian_views

@Sister Nassie secondly, what about the death penalty? In a christian society it should be un justifiable no?

Depending on the crime, it could be.

Obviously if someone steals 1 buck, it would be unjustifiable to give them the death penalty because it's such a petty crime.

Cause jesus said "he who is without sin may cast the first stone" so surely this still applies.

But if someone does a major crime like murdering somebody, then yeah the death penalty is absolutely justifiable.

@Sister Nassie how

God is both just and merciful. It's not either one or the other.

And thus, we should be the same way.

It clearly states that those without sin are those who are fit to judge