we are not in the buisness of doing stuff for "the family" nor do we have a Don or anything of the sort

in fact we operate more like an ancient greek university than anything else i can think of on short notice

' a cult is a social group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices', can you explain how MGTOW does not fit into this definition?

Cult
A group, often times though not always religious or spiritual in nature, that is led by a single or small group of leader(s).

Members are often recruited or by some means persuaded to join, rarely if ever knowing how destructive and harmful a cult can be -- rarely knowing that it IS a cult. Though they usual come off as being generous, caring and in the best interests of their members, cults are inherently based on furthering the desires of cult leaders.

Cult leaders commonly use thought reform or "brainwashing", in conjunction with other methods, to slowly and deliberately reel in more control of said members. In many cases, members may eventually forsake their friends and family (non-members are viewed as "wrong" or "bad") and give up their careers, homes and/or money to the leader.

@AVRO Architect I completely agree with all you say mate, but I am from the village and we call a spade a spade, not a fucking digging tool

This I feel is a better definition of a cult, your definition that you operate off of is too open ended for my taste

too many things can be classified as a cult with it that clearly aren't

@AVRO Architect I got all mine from Wikipedia, feel free to change it if you disagree

for example the " insert nation here" military

Which is also a cult, or if you prefer a 'mafia'

or a gang

having grown up on military bases I can attest that is not the case

For being a gang member I beg to differ

gangs and military is not very different

I must insist that they very much are, fundamentally they are different

One is legal the other one is not?

One get training to kill, the other not?

Yes there are differences

a proper modern professional military does not exist to accumulate wealth or power for the members

Do you mean they're the same in the fact they both might shoot someone?

their fundamental purposes are different

Because that's a very flimsy relation

@Whats gay anymore

@Whats gay anymore Not really, but in both it happens some times

@AVRO Architect Please elaborate about purpose

the military is supposed to be self sacraficial for the nation and is bound by the laws, rules of engagement, and has a very limited authority

Rules set by whom?

And laws made by whom?

the government of the nation itself, at the end of the day the military is a deadly tool for use by those in power

a very big stick

I still don't see why that differ from gangs, there are rules of engagement and laws there too

a gang is in buisness for itself and it doesn't care who is hurt along the way for its profits and power

the military exists purely to prepare and be prepared for war

And that differ from the military and government exactly how?

oh the government is a scheme

the military is simply a tool

if the government is a gang the military is the gun, just a tool at the end of the day

@AVRO Architect Any goverment is no different from a gang, military and police are the enforcers

That's a very ancap way of looking at it

You need those "enforcers" for a functional society

no the military is a tool as are the police the enforce the laws and standards