Message from @Portuguese MGTOW
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@PhysX what do you respect?
I get your point @Kragt . I am not trying to define MGTOW, the very definition says do your own thing. I just wanted to say my thoughts on children and overall attitude
the truth
@Z-Man (soon to be Y A) I respect that you would go your own way even if the society was not so fucked up
@Clown Europe as a whole is extremely collective compared to the US. MGTOW focuses strongly on individuality and without the extremes seen in Canada and Australia pushing the need to talk about MGTOW it might be harder to talk about.
But don't be fooled MGTOW knowledge and the red pill are frowned upon here too.
@PhysX taking care of kids? OK... taking care of pets? of course. but taking care of another adult..... NO
Not to compare, but I am in Europe ATM too
only if it was family or I was paid to do so, I would have no problem in taking care of sick sibling/parents
@Z-Man (soon to be Y A) Exactly, i do like pets very much so
@PhysX I understand. Just when you use the phrase 'one blowjob from getting back on the plantation' it connotates things I don't think you mean to say.
It's not just about men on strike that phrase talks about how once given attention or a small bone men will run back.
Your question would be better with the 'men on marriage strike' approach to talking about MGTOW numbers.
marriage wont come back.. but male parentshood will return
and first it would have to happens that DNA testing is a regular thing
and that renouncing custody would be possible
@Kragt Well in essence i do not harbor any malice in my message. But I honestly think that it is possible to seperate us man into reactionary MGTOW, and lets say fundamental MGTOW. Wouldnt you agree, are you perhaps in a relationship at this moment{no judgement}
Nah, I am and will be single for the rest of my life. The conditions to make me want to have a family do not exist and likely will never exist. I might change my mind if such a thing happens but I fully expect it not to. Much how TFM talks about the MRA's 'I wish them the best and that I am wrong, but I expect their approach will never work' - paraphrased.
I also make a distinction similar to that.
I think of it more in terms of the higher man MGTOW who sees it as part of his self-actualization and the human animal MGTOW who only wants to avoid the pain of the current enviorment. @PhysX
I mostly recognize my own flaws and try to never forget them.
also.. in recent times the birthrate isnt that much higher in most of middle east there was a large spike in the 80s yes but not so much now
and what happened then? a reassertion of fundamentalism
@Kragt Yes kragt, I do agree with you, I would like to see myself an "higher MGTOW" chasing his goal, which I trully strive for everyday. But family and children are out of my formula, and have been before i found MGTOW. Its just how I am, I think.
basically the societie became more backwards, more in line to feudal times
Mediterranean pierogies.. nice
@PhysX Agreed, like I said earlier for some men MGTOW is part of their self-actualization. Good on you!
gah!
What? Can't stand to see a debate end peacefully and happily in agreement? XD
I am looking at a world map.. in the 1970s the middle east was brimming with babies, now they are just above replacement level
*nods* Female empowerment.
because now they can get their own jobs... simple oportunity costs
*No rest for the sick "Michael Scott"*
@PhysX how long have you been sperg?
the only countried with very high birthrates are. as in vernacular... shitholes
@shadowlessnexus You lost me at sperg, sorry
Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Jordan
how long. have you had the sperg role
Ah.. that makes more sense. >_> I thought you were asking about him being a legit sperg too.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Are you saying i am aspergers?
i cant even see it in the audit log or the mod log channel. so imma say thats prolly long enough
so... modernity+tradcon ideals= low fertility