and that renouncing custody would be possible

@Kragt Well in essence i do not harbor any malice in my message. But I honestly think that it is possible to seperate us man into reactionary MGTOW, and lets say fundamental MGTOW. Wouldnt you agree, are you perhaps in a relationship at this moment{no judgement}

Nah, I am and will be single for the rest of my life. The conditions to make me want to have a family do not exist and likely will never exist. I might change my mind if such a thing happens but I fully expect it not to. Much how TFM talks about the MRA's 'I wish them the best and that I am wrong, but I expect their approach will never work' - paraphrased.

I also make a distinction similar to that.
I think of it more in terms of the higher man MGTOW who sees it as part of his self-actualization and the human animal MGTOW who only wants to avoid the pain of the current enviorment. @PhysX

I mostly recognize my own flaws and try to never forget them.

also.. in recent times the birthrate isnt that much higher in most of middle east there was a large spike in the 80s yes but not so much now

and what happened then? a reassertion of fundamentalism

@Kragt Yes kragt, I do agree with you, I would like to see myself an "higher MGTOW" chasing his goal, which I trully strive for everyday. But family and children are out of my formula, and have been before i found MGTOW. Its just how I am, I think.

basically the societie became more backwards, more in line to feudal times

Im going live with a Polish MGTOW

Mediterranean pierogies.. nice

@PhysX Agreed, like I said earlier for some men MGTOW is part of their self-actualization. Good on you!

@Kragt Exactly, I wish you success

gah!

What? Can't stand to see a debate end peacefully and happily in agreement? XD

I am looking at a world map.. in the 1970s the middle east was brimming with babies, now they are just above replacement level

*nods* Female empowerment.

because now they can get their own jobs... simple oportunity costs

*No rest for the sick "Michael Scott"*

@PhysX how long have you been sperg?

the only countried with very high birthrates are. as in vernacular... shitholes

@shadowlessnexus You lost me at sperg, sorry

Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Jordan

how long. have you had the sperg role

Ah.. that makes more sense. >_> I thought you were asking about him being a legit sperg too.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Are you saying i am aspergers?

i cant even see it in the audit log or the mod log channel. so imma say thats prolly long enough

so... modernity+tradcon ideals= low fertility

@PhysX Nah he is saying you have the discord-server tag of sperg on your profile.

@Kragt Oh, i see. What does that mean exactly, i am so noob when it comes to discord

It means whatever the server rulers say it means. You having sperg here is specific to this server.

Is it like a tag of shame?

Maybe... I dunno but you can always ask in the <#540344129184595968>

Then again shadow was nice enough to remove it for you as well.

Hmm, guess I pissed of some mods

Oh cool, Thanks @shadowlessnexus

that must have been before i was even admin. so a long while ago

i doubt anyone could even say why at this point

so theres no point.

oppression

but you behave nicely now

Might've been, but honestly i got here a month ago I think