Message from @ebowden
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I think in that kind of conflict it's about 75/25 of china just staying out of it vs siding with the US.
They view this time as their star rising, and they would love to see the US and Russia damage each other as much as possible.
If it ever came to blows I'd go as far as to say it's likely China would use espionage to *prolong* the conflict to weaken all parties as much as possible. While officially staying out of it/doing humanitarian stuff with great optics to come out as the real winner.
kind of like what guys like Truman were suggesting re: the Eastern Front in wwii. aid one side when it looked like they were losing, then aid the other when the balance tipped. kill more Nazis and Commies that way.
again, if China's smart, they'll at least stay neutral in any upcoming war with Russia. and it may behoove them to participate on the Western powers' side (for lack of a better word) and gobble up Russian territory rich in natural gas and oil before the Russians or NATO have a chance to ruin it.
or before NATO has a chance to take it for themselves, for that matter
I'm sure that Germany, for instance, wouldn't mind owning the natural gas they currently pay the Russians for, and if they can offload the price in blood and treasure to us in America, then so much the better.
This is assuming this doesn't all end in 30 minutes and bring on nuclear armageddon
well, yes. that is a very big ask. some people think that no one's going to be crazy enough to do that, but people all throughout history have been consistently wrong on that front
if that happens, such petty considerations as who is going to be on who's side will be pretty irrelevant
If there's nukes launched, 90%+ chance it'll be accidental
well, shit, it almost happened in '84 when there was "peace"
I could definitely see it happening in war
which is kind of why I have to question the mainstream media's consistent poking of the Russian bear and their hawkishness. if the nuclear arms situation did not stand as it does, I could see the realpolitik consideration for thinking we could engage Russia, but Russia does have nukes, a lot of nukes. These people have been living under the Sword of Damocles for so long (all their lives in some cases) that they no longer think of it. Russia's nuclear arsenal is unquestionably its strongest assurance of safety. if people think they could possibly agree to not using that card in the future, they're kidding themselves.
I don't mind them taking Russia to task over things they've actually done, mind you, because then you could maybe make an argument from principle (although one has to ask what they're actually willing to sacrifice for their principles). but this shit where they go on flights of fancy just baffles me.
I know liberals who think Americas totally ineffective system for shooting down ICBMs is totes mcgoats secretly awesome.
We don't need to worry about those nukes.
We can get some, to be sure, but I don't think there's any chance in hell we'll get all or even most of them
Yes, they will go to many targets around the world.
oh, we probably won't stop even the majority coming to America. the rest of the world is boned like a chicken
Blumpf totally colluded with Russia guise!!! Just look at all the evidence!!!!
the Kushner thing? what did Kushner do?
That sure is a lot of non specific things.
well, there is that specific "sold a $60 million mansion to a Russian oligarch" thing. I wonder if that's true?
oh, turns out Trump sold a Palm Beach estate to a Russian guy for $95 million actually *TEN YEARS AGO*
trump blinked near a russian 25 years ago
my parents do business with a Russian right now. does that mean I'm compromised?
yes
blyat
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What kind of world do we live in...
there's more....
WHY?!
kek
