Message from @igorbloodscene
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look, I've debated enough to know when it comes to these childish non-arguments, you clearly have nothing else to say, and this is the point when I quit. I really have other things to do, but I can't say I haven't tried. not everyone will get it, it is what it is
(just make sure you don't become part of antifa)
If we are going to be recommending things that we should or should not do, I would recommend listening to some Zizek.
btw I'm fine with having disagreements, but I'm not fine with having these childish name callings. you should have the right to say whatever you will, and I'm willing to defend it. but you also have to be able to take criticism and accept that you might be wrong
You called me a communist first...
I never said that I was.
Don't cast stones in glass houses, as the saying goes.
then you have communist views all but in name :)
meh
there are many different schools of communist thought on the left.
it doesn't matter what you call it, you can call it the great religion of the beaten dogs, for all I care. the name is not what counts, it's the idea behind it, that wrecked societies throughout time
Not all of them necessarily agree on what communism is, much less who is and who isn't.
OK... is it one idea, or many different ideas?
the generic idea what you've been talking about is, the forced redistribution of wealth
I've never said that I was in favor of the forced redistribution of wealth.
If anything I'm much more radical and crazy.
I want people to be able to live without needing wealth at all.
That is much more freeing than needing a state or dictatorship of the proletariat to redistribute anything.
aha, and who would be producing your at least minimal needs for survival then?
in what sense, exactly?
People would do it themselves without the need of capital, money, or the state.
but why would they?
wait, you mean you as an individual, would do it for yourself?
Because people don't want to be naked, cold or dehydrated lol
People would do it collectively.
Parents would still care for their children, and entirely new social organization would sprout up.
Like I said, its radical.
Imagine it more like this: People leave the society that is failing, and they go to make another one. They care for each other not for profit, but because they don't want to suffer.
They would farm, build shelter, and have water.
Using the knowledge that they have already previously learned from the society that they left.
Or perhaps, people in massive drives, by the billions, simply lose faith in the crumbling institutions and bring forth better ones.
you realize that's like going back to the neanderthal level of society, do you?
How so?
There is no reason to suggest that just because people decide to quit their 9-5s by the billions that they would somehow forget how to build or create new inventions lol
because traits that are needed nowadays to provide for the amount of people that live on the face of the earth, require technology, and a sophisticated one at it. what you imagine is that every people would be able to learn these traits, and exercise them for their survival. while this might be true for clarifying water and hunting, it might not be true for chemical engineering and industrial farming (much less mechanical engineering), that the industrial revolution brought
also, you would impose value on people that have rare traits others don't to trade their traits for the value they don't want to. they will simply go to other 'communities', and sell their traits there for the value they see fit
The computer programmer would take the computer that he already bought in the previous system, and create new data structures to use that don't rely upon IP rights or having to program as the sole driver of their ability to sell their labor.
No one would be imposing anything on anyone lol
People that are frustrated with the way things are in this society would "leave". These "Leavers" would come from all aspects of life. Computer Programmer, engineers, farmers etc.
You can find many people from those groups which could come together and produce a new means of social relations.