>implying that his arguments are flawless

lol

*missing argument error*

>I'm missing an argument

>clearly hasn't been paying attention to the discussion

Whatever dude. Do what thou wilt. Its clear that we never lived on the same planet and that we never will. It was an interesting, discussion none the least.

look, I've debated enough to know when it comes to these childish non-arguments, you clearly have nothing else to say, and this is the point when I quit. I really have other things to do, but I can't say I haven't tried. not everyone will get it, it is what it is

(just make sure you don't become part of antifa)

If we are going to be recommending things that we should or should not do, I would recommend listening to some Zizek.

btw I'm fine with having disagreements, but I'm not fine with having these childish name callings. you should have the right to say whatever you will, and I'm willing to defend it. but you also have to be able to take criticism and accept that you might be wrong

You called me a communist first...

I never said that I was.

Don't cast stones in glass houses, as the saying goes.

then you have communist views all but in name :)

meh

there are many different schools of communist thought on the left.

it doesn't matter what you call it, you can call it the great religion of the beaten dogs, for all I care. the name is not what counts, it's the idea behind it, that wrecked societies throughout time

Not all of them necessarily agree on what communism is, much less who is and who isn't.

OK... is it one idea, or many different ideas?

the generic idea what you've been talking about is, the forced redistribution of wealth

I've never said that I was in favor of the forced redistribution of wealth.

If anything I'm much more radical and crazy.

I want people to be able to live without needing wealth at all.

That is much more freeing than needing a state or dictatorship of the proletariat to redistribute anything.

aha, and who would be producing your at least minimal needs for survival then?

in what sense, exactly?

food, shelter, water?

People would do it themselves without the need of capital, money, or the state.

but why would they?

wait, you mean you as an individual, would do it for yourself?

Because people don't want to be naked, cold or dehydrated lol

People would do it collectively.

Parents would still care for their children, and entirely new social organization would sprout up.

Like I said, its radical.

Imagine it more like this: People leave the society that is failing, and they go to make another one. They care for each other not for profit, but because they don't want to suffer.

They would farm, build shelter, and have water.

Using the knowledge that they have already previously learned from the society that they left.

Or perhaps, people in massive drives, by the billions, simply lose faith in the crumbling institutions and bring forth better ones.

you realize that's like going back to the neanderthal level of society, do you?

How so?

There is no reason to suggest that just because people decide to quit their 9-5s by the billions that they would somehow forget how to build or create new inventions lol