Message from @Leather Collector

Discord ID: 488040248618516490


2018-09-08 17:24:32 UTC  

isn't it obvious?? your only suppose to have like one sex organ

2018-09-08 17:24:39 UTC  

Well if you didn't have either, would that also mean that your body is void of any testosterone ane estrogen?

2018-09-08 17:24:48 UTC  

*and

2018-09-08 17:24:49 UTC  

What says that you are only supposed to only have one sex organ?

2018-09-08 17:25:17 UTC  

@Leather Collector Maybe? Unless you get injections lol

2018-09-08 17:25:24 UTC  

LOL, im not gonna go into detail of common sense biology

2018-09-08 17:26:02 UTC  

As far as I'm concerned, none of biology is "common sense". The more I look into biology, the more qustions appear.

2018-09-08 17:26:31 UTC  

Yeah but would you even need either? If you have no reproductive value then there would probably be no point in having either one. Unless of course they serve other purposes aside from sexual reproduction; which they probably do, but I wouldn't know

2018-09-08 17:27:14 UTC  

Look into evolutionary structures as being spandrels.

2018-09-08 17:27:31 UTC  

Very interesting research.

2018-09-08 17:28:38 UTC  

It could be the case that many structures of our secondary sex characteristics may have been not necessarily made for reproductive fitness, but instead could be spandrel like additions that may have been selected for without necessarily being reproductively advantageous.

2018-09-08 17:31:05 UTC  

Yeah that makes sense. Kinda like how our cells unintentionally began using mitochondria as a means for energy production

2018-09-08 17:32:07 UTC  

Yet, just because cells use a mitochondria, it is not necessarily the case that perhaps some other structure could have been selected for that could fulfill the same function, yet be structurally different than a mitochondria itself.

2018-09-08 17:32:24 UTC  

We can call this structure "^"

2018-09-08 17:33:21 UTC  

"^" can be a variable for any sort of structure that could have very easily been selected for either because it was reproductively advantageous or via spandrel.

2018-09-08 17:34:07 UTC  

So if that could have been the case then testosterone could very well be in the same boat. Okay, now I get what you're saying

2018-09-08 17:34:11 UTC  

So, it begs the question of if the very structures of our bodies are necessary, if we could have had other structures be selected for all the while the structures being totally different.

2018-09-08 17:34:21 UTC  

Precisely.

2018-09-08 17:34:49 UTC  

We can implement this into a study or consideration of xenomorphology or even "alternative humans"

2018-09-08 17:37:21 UTC  

This just opened up a door inside my mind. I suppose this is where biological engineering comes into play. We could begin to redesign the human structure as we know it. We could abandon any weaknesses we have as a species and evolve by artificial means

2018-09-08 17:37:42 UTC  

I suppose the only thing keeping us from doing so would be ethics

2018-09-08 17:37:49 UTC  

That's post-human thinking.

2018-09-08 17:38:07 UTC  

Have you seen Evangelion?

2018-09-08 17:38:34 UTC  

No but I've been told by my friend on multiple occasions to watch it

2018-09-08 17:39:04 UTC  

Its really long and not even I have been able to watch all of it, but it deals with this sort of issue.

2018-09-08 17:40:09 UTC  

It's definitely an interesting idea to ponder

2018-09-08 17:40:56 UTC  

If we were able to "transcend" our human limitations for the sake of being something else entirely, (angels from Evangelion, the Reapers from Mass Effect, the Flood from Halo, The Borg from Star Trek, Aliens from Alien, etc.) at what cost is it?

2018-09-08 17:41:03 UTC  

Cost of Aesthetics?

2018-09-08 17:41:19 UTC  

Our own identities?

2018-09-08 17:41:31 UTC  

Our own ideas of right and wrong?

2018-09-08 17:42:24 UTC  

Or perhaps even the ability to distinguish between "Self" and "Other" or to even draw distinctions between objects with boundaries?

2018-09-08 17:45:22 UTC  

This is all reminding me of one of the endings of Bloodborne. In this particular ending, you become a Great One. At that point, you've pretty much abandoned your humanity. You're an omnipotent being who's free to grow and expand, so why would you care about humanity.? The same thing happens in Ghost in the Shell. Major feels trapped, free only to grow and expand within the confinement of her artificial body. So I suppose it all depends on how much potential you want to fulfill

2018-09-08 17:46:11 UTC  

The same problem occurs in Watchmen with Dr. Manhattan.

2018-09-08 17:47:42 UTC  

He is pretty much God and he sees human problems as separate from himself and his own because he already understands everything on the mereological level. He pretty much has a Laplace universe in his head and outside of his head and he knows everything.

2018-09-08 17:48:33 UTC  

But for the purpose of the story, Ozymandias creates a machine that blocks his ability to know everything, yet he is not at all surprised at the end of the movie when we are faced with the final results.

2018-09-08 17:48:52 UTC  

Dr. Manhattan is the only one with super natural powers in watchmen, which is kindah ironic

2018-09-08 17:49:25 UTC  

Yeah lol

2018-09-08 17:49:29 UTC  

Isn't Dr. Manhattan stronger than Superman in the DCU?

2018-09-08 17:50:21 UTC  

He's probably the strongest hero in the DC universe, imo. But I'm biased because he's probably my favorite character next to Batman in the DCU lol

2018-09-08 17:53:54 UTC  

I never really got into Marvel or DC comics

2018-09-08 17:54:22 UTC  

American Comics are OVer_ Rated, Just Stick to Manga