Message from @BlaqShiep

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2018-09-15 23:56:03 UTC  

Interesting... so, is it wrong to believe that gender is only constructed?

2018-09-15 23:57:55 UTC  

For sure though, you have your own value system and matching your moral framework to that and actually acting in accordance with it will give you a peace of sorts. Part of going your own way isn't it? I feel paying 10k for an engagement ring to throw on a woman's hand for the purpose of gloating and status is nonsensical and immoral, so doing such a thing for conformity's sake will tear at my own constructed moral fabric.

2018-09-16 00:00:06 UTC  

I don't believe in moral theories or values. And I don't find simply caring for others to be sufficient enough to guarantee a moral framework... I have come to abandon value belief systems. They all fail.

2018-09-16 00:00:18 UTC  

Ergo the question, do we have moral knowledge?

2018-09-16 00:02:08 UTC  

Maybe you agree with Shakespeare? "Nothing either good or bad" ...but...Some have "moral knowledge" of what is right and wrong in their own realm, "thinking makes it so."

2018-09-16 00:06:28 UTC  

You probably have some sense of what is moral to yourself, but you can also end up feeling like shit living in a way not befitting your own (unrealized) moral sense. It is possible to develop a moral knowledge that fits your understanding of the world and to some extent influences your behaviour. Some of us are less certain of our righteousness, while some have no problem chopping off heads for videos in accordance with their own moral superiority.

2018-09-16 00:08:49 UTC  

All of those would imply that those people would have moral knowledge of some sort, but how do they know that exactly?

2018-09-16 00:09:49 UTC  

How does anyone know if raping someone is worse than donating to charity?

2018-09-16 00:09:59 UTC  

Hello

2018-09-16 00:10:02 UTC  

They do not. They may only know that their moral sensibilities align with their values.

2018-09-16 00:10:12 UTC  

Vc one time

2018-09-16 00:10:24 UTC  

But how does one know what one's values are?

2018-09-16 00:10:34 UTC  

Asking ones self

2018-09-16 00:11:06 UTC  

How many times and what if one values one thing at one moment only to abandon it the next?

2018-09-16 00:11:11 UTC  

Experience only, I'd say. Sadly, some receive it from others in the form of religion/politics/"mommy said so"/friends/conformity/TV commercials.

2018-09-16 00:11:11 UTC  

Voice chat

2018-09-16 00:11:24 UTC  

You only have the moment

2018-09-16 00:11:25 UTC  

Rabbit hole discussion. :)

2018-09-16 00:11:26 UTC  

What if someone values raping children?

2018-09-16 00:11:30 UTC  

Your values will change throughout your life.

2018-09-16 00:11:33 UTC  

You should focus on the moment only

2018-09-16 00:11:42 UTC  

Not what one should or would become later

2018-09-16 00:12:04 UTC  

@BlaqShiep Which moment? The one now or later?

2018-09-16 00:12:07 UTC  

If one values raping children they will be shunned by all

2018-09-16 00:12:13 UTC  

Now is the only moment

2018-09-16 00:12:21 UTC  

So what if people shun them? Why should they care?

2018-09-16 00:12:29 UTC  

You are over complicating now

2018-09-16 00:12:50 UTC  

Who cares what they experience... What do YOU value?

2018-09-16 00:12:59 UTC  

That is what is important

2018-09-16 00:12:59 UTC  

Not sure...

2018-09-16 00:13:09 UTC  

That is for you to find out

2018-09-16 00:13:14 UTC  

I'm not even sure if value is a thing that can be understood...

2018-09-16 00:13:20 UTC  

Here's a thought though--how many of us valued pussy. But come kenjataimu...as sure as the sun.

2018-09-16 00:13:40 UTC  

Dont over generalize an objective thing of value what we value is inherently subjective

2018-09-16 00:14:08 UTC  

I never valued "pussy"

2018-09-16 00:14:15 UTC  

I did value women...

2018-09-16 00:14:29 UTC  

Instinctually i assume...

2018-09-16 00:14:51 UTC  

And now you do not.. at that moment you valued women, and in this one, you do not... So which moment is supposed to be the one of value?

2018-09-16 00:15:11 UTC  

At the moment i did... That was that version of myself

2018-09-16 00:15:23 UTC  

I know who he was and i do not fault him

2018-09-16 00:15:31 UTC  

So, is there one self, many or none?