But I feel the mainstream opinion would help challenege its presence.....

MGTOWS would be most odf the problem. All trying to out "MGTOW" each other......see it on this forum daily

how do you out mgtow another man

I see what you're saying Mod1 I kinda agree

Make it digital format, an app form. Charge $2 per issue. Or something reasonable.

I've been a MGTOW since the 1990's.....before there was a term for it....now, with that said, I did not "invent" it, nor am I some "monk" or on some higher plane.............but for the past couple of years, I got 18 year olds tellin' me I am not MGTOW or somehow lacking..........and there really isn't anything to say to anyone. Everyone has "done" everything already

Fuck that Mod1, you do you

Hard to convey into words.....I admit I am not the smartest guy around

I do......and everyone has done it, I really have nothing to say or offer the community. I like some blogs and videos........and I get it

I admire a lot of guys out there.....young and old......but I get more fellowship with people out there in general

lol That's the case with everything that eventually becomes popular.

most are not MGTOW

is it?

Pretty much. The new ones tend to make it about who is real and who is not.

Ego trips, the lot

There isn't room in MGTOW for most men sadly, they would not be welcome

what do you mean?

I think there's enough room, but most men would not feel comfortable in MGTOW.

Men are not built to be MGTOW these days.

Including most in MGTOW

you mean going full monk?

or just dipping your toe in for entertainment

Well that's why there's different recognizable levels of MGTOW.

Everyone has their own journey.

some levels are more "welcome" than others

I think too many MGTOW project the idea that we all must be on the same level at all times.

Each level, I think, has it's extremists. Like most social groups or ideologies in general.

so the extremist tend to push people away, is that what you mean?

.... I mean, extremists tend to attack those who are even slightly not on their particular course.

right

I've witnessed a scene (MGTOW) that has turned into mostly talking about women, talking about how many were nailed / bedded / bent over and then in the same breath saying how "they're all sluts"

youre right, I dont think thats a good message

should be about finding your own unique path, which may or may not cross others paths

I wouldn't be surprised to see those of that type end up back on the plantation

A scene where every guy is now some amazin' Alpha........

Yeah, I think far too much MGTOW content is on women, instead of self-actualization. But it's weird because I think many creators feel the need to cater to the new MGTOW who are still raging about women.

And far too many creators are obsessed with building a "channel" and having "subs" instead of creating content.

and like I said earlier.....differ from the excat lockstep at the moment......out comes the put downs, crass talk...........

Isnt the point to stop wasting time on the traditional roles, and find something more creative and fulfilling purposes

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I agree with these sentiments