@Happy Humble Hermit OpenOffice might help until someone can provide a better answer, helped me in college anyway

They're ultimately scared of enforcing women's end of the bargain.

Oh, good, problem solved

@KD They can't stand up to them when they're so worried about getting sex once a month or worse

...i may have drank my whisky too fast

Reasonable way?!? Traditionalism is hardly reasonable, religions is definitely unreasonable. The main ones who say this are often lazy sex-addicts who just want some cunt, and the white picket fence. They want the spoon-fed luxury or country life. They are almost as pathetic as their female counterparts.

@Roundabout Lout Nailed it right on the head. Sex is their main focus.

The sex stuff sounds like projection.

Sex =/= love, you ding dongs :D

The white picket fence is a superficial strawman

It's a fucking buzzword, and that you use it makes you look stupid

The main reason traditionalism worked for so long was because of religion, monarchy, and draconian law enforcement. It simply was just 'lucky' enough to survive because of those factors.

And censorship was crucial to ensuring traditionalism works. They relied on censorship to prolong it.

Now they are being on the shit end of the censor ray gun and they are running scared.

@shadowlessnexus same. i just ate dinner before the show

It survived quite naturally before things like the welfare state.

im already too drunk XDXD

What makes the current system possible is all of the government intervention.

It was not capable of this amount of micromanagement and wealth redistribution in the past, and often communities had to enforce justice.

It survived for centuries because of religion and government were a combined force.

@shadowlessnexus lmao sounds like a party.

No, the non-traditionalists societies just died off. It's that simple.

That is why the Orthodox Church existed in the Renaissance Age.To purge anti or non trad societies as well as relgiious non-believers or those deemed 'defective' - homosexuals, asexuals, virgins, and disabled.

Specifically the non-patriarchal societies.

Also, your bullshit claims don't have any real reasoning behind them.

They're not convincing

Whelp, think we found ourselves a tradcon here folks.

Oh no, how scary

He thinks my points are "bullshit". More like he's afraid of his ideals being criticized. Traditionalism is cancer. Point, blank, and simple.

The problem is, you're just making ridiculous claims, and you don't provide any reason to believe them.

For example, how is saying that traditionalism requires monarchy any easier to believe than saying traditionalism is unnatural?

Ridiculous claims mate?!? It's not rocket science to google the atrocious actions and convictions of the Orthodox Church or the consequences of merging religion with government.

I said traditionalism relies on censorship to survive, and a monarchy helped achieved this. An era of kings and queens, or dynasty of emperors, helped maintain this.

There was also the hard patriarchy that used to exist,

I'm not talking about the Orthodox Church, and you've not even really justified it's relevance

You think many people would just cater or continue obeying traditional values if there was not so much pressure from the government or social religious influence? The best way for someone to obey a policy is to make them fear it's enforcers. A feared power is often the most effective power. Tradcons used fear and intimidation to keep others in line. Shaming men who are single; shaming homosexuals, especially gays; shaming those with disabilities such as autism; shaming those who are self-aware and self-independent.

Why do you think MGTOW is even able to exist? If traditionalist power was still dominant and as effective, we'd might have been arrested for even discussing MGTOW.

Best hentai quote: "This isnt any ordinary penis, it's the root of lust!"

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MGTOW is a coping mechanism.

mgtow is a survival strategy