Message from @ziyauren

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2018-11-20 16:49:01 UTC  

you know how people think that the idea of 'the grass will be greener' as a shallow thought ... isnt that exactly what evolution is? evolution is the idea that eventual changes to where 'we' currently are will lead to 'something better' .

2018-11-20 16:49:16 UTC  

@Rhunespire no u can only learn to recognize it so u can control the outcome

2018-11-20 16:49:21 UTC  

reduce the power, for sure, if you understanding the reason why your subconscious act like this

2018-11-20 16:49:45 UTC  

@Rhunespire well yeah, things only get put into your subconscious through repetition and the stuff in your lizard brain

2018-11-20 16:50:12 UTC  

It isn't exactly controlled though is it

2018-11-20 16:50:30 UTC  

@JDB no dont agree with that, the "grass will be greener" principle is more a society stick I guess

2018-11-20 16:51:03 UTC  

yeah my bad - i used to wrong word. you can't control it but you can defintelty influence it

2018-11-20 16:51:07 UTC  

more efficient today with social network

2018-11-20 16:51:16 UTC  

lizard brain (instinct) goes to mid brain (((emotion) goes to forbrain(control center and logic)... recognize where it comes from and is at ... then intervene

2018-11-20 16:54:26 UTC  

@Shido oh okay - if we think of evolution as a person then 'evolution' doesn't want things to die. why doesn't 'evolution' want things to die? is 'evolution' assuming that if we survive then something better will come? aka 'the grass is greener' . i understand that this point has a shit ton of flaws in but at a conceptual level it's interesting to ponder.

2018-11-20 16:54:40 UTC  

btw - what is the acc definition of a concept

2018-11-20 16:54:44 UTC  

sun tzu had it right on conflict resolution..;. 5 weakness all rooted in instinct..;. rashness, eliitism, emotionalism, hesitance, and compassion..;. learn to manage them and recognize them in others to manage both you internal and external conflicts.

2018-11-20 16:55:53 UTC  

compassion is weakness?

2018-11-20 16:56:37 UTC  

can be yes... managing them means turning weakness into strength

2018-11-20 16:56:40 UTC  

compassion can lead to obsession and becoming obsessed in something gives that thing 'control' over you

2018-11-20 16:57:14 UTC  

acc no i'm wrong

2018-11-20 16:57:26 UTC  

that doesn't make sense mb

2018-11-20 16:57:39 UTC  

all the instincts interact as well

2018-11-20 16:58:05 UTC  

can't all these instincts be derived from one over-ruling instinct?

2018-11-20 16:58:21 UTC  

isn't that instinct 'desire'

2018-11-20 16:58:39 UTC  

compassion can engender hesitance n a disadvantageous way for example

2018-11-20 16:58:42 UTC  

having a desire will create all of these things

2018-11-20 16:58:53 UTC  

but what causes dessire?

2018-11-20 16:59:07 UTC  

a need to feel better? feeling inadequate?

2018-11-20 16:59:15 UTC  

you can be kind and compassionate and not be 'under control'

2018-11-20 16:59:25 UTC  

sometimes it's not about being RP or BP just being a decent person

2018-11-20 17:00:01 UTC  

i know morals don't really matter but would you rather go out remembered by a lot of people or remembered by none? eventually we will all be forgotten, but you know?

2018-11-20 17:00:08 UTC  

n men desire is usually meant to seek pleasure... ie a vassopressin high

2018-11-20 17:01:12 UTC  

not just men, every living thing wants to feel 'pleasure' - aka a postitve feeling. why do plants turn to face the sun? wait maybe 'a positive feelnig' isnt the absolute truth. isnt it just to survive

2018-11-20 17:01:20 UTC  

wanting to survive fuels everythign

2018-11-20 17:01:32 UTC  

and to survive longer you need to be in a posititve emotional state

2018-11-20 17:01:40 UTC  

so that's where positive emotions come in

2018-11-20 17:01:49 UTC  

n women it would b most likely seekin oxitocin

2018-11-20 17:02:15 UTC  

yeah but there's a over-ruling principle that covers all of the things you're listing

2018-11-20 17:02:29 UTC  

@JDB the human evolution is depending on the people, I guess some people discover their purpose in the life and want to acomplish it not for other, for themself first. But before this step, those people discovered a lot about themself and on the life. Like manage their emotions, because going on your own way to try something new it's really a hard think. People will always looking at u as a weird and foolish guy

2018-11-20 17:02:31 UTC  

some pheromones in children can create similar chemical responses

2018-11-20 17:02:37 UTC  

i agree with what you're saying but im trying to pinpoint a first principle i can build on

2018-11-20 17:03:22 UTC  

@Shido good point

2018-11-20 17:03:47 UTC  

the first principle is simple ... I live therfore I am... up to u after that😉

2018-11-20 17:04:05 UTC  

maybe in order to answer the question we should consider the actions and motives baby have - so when your logical thought process isn't swayed by emotion so much

2018-11-20 17:04:42 UTC  

babies r all instinct..;. bad place to start