compassion can lead to obsession and becoming obsessed in something gives that thing 'control' over you

acc no i'm wrong

that doesn't make sense mb

all the instincts interact as well

can't all these instincts be derived from one over-ruling instinct?

isn't that instinct 'desire'

compassion can engender hesitance n a disadvantageous way for example

having a desire will create all of these things

but what causes dessire?

a need to feel better? feeling inadequate?

you can be kind and compassionate and not be 'under control'

sometimes it's not about being RP or BP just being a decent person

i know morals don't really matter but would you rather go out remembered by a lot of people or remembered by none? eventually we will all be forgotten, but you know?

n men desire is usually meant to seek pleasure... ie a vassopressin high

not just men, every living thing wants to feel 'pleasure' - aka a postitve feeling. why do plants turn to face the sun? wait maybe 'a positive feelnig' isnt the absolute truth. isnt it just to survive

wanting to survive fuels everythign

and to survive longer you need to be in a posititve emotional state

so that's where positive emotions come in

n women it would b most likely seekin oxitocin

yeah but there's a over-ruling principle that covers all of the things you're listing

@JDB the human evolution is depending on the people, I guess some people discover their purpose in the life and want to acomplish it not for other, for themself first. But before this step, those people discovered a lot about themself and on the life. Like manage their emotions, because going on your own way to try something new it's really a hard think. People will always looking at u as a weird and foolish guy

some pheromones in children can create similar chemical responses

i agree with what you're saying but im trying to pinpoint a first principle i can build on

@Shido good point

the first principle is simple ... I live therfore I am... up to u after that😉

maybe in order to answer the question we should consider the actions and motives baby have - so when your logical thought process isn't swayed by emotion so much

babies r all instinct..;. bad place to start

tbh, attempting to find a first principle is stupid because you can never truly find one that satisfies everythign - i guess we have to find one that satisfies as many as possible and accept it

thats why i said after that its up to u😉

isn't an 'instinct' just the pre-programmed logical thought process from ur lizard brain?

there is no logic in the lizard brain

@ziyauren yeah lol i'm coming to that conclusion slowly but surely

there has to be logic? isn't instinct just logic that's hidden in the subconsious?

logic comes only from your forbrain and was the last part developed

how did 'instinct' get there then?

where did instinct to eat come from

maybe it came from beig logical and knowing that in order to survive i had to eat

desire it's linked to the feeling of be happy/prouf of what you are doing I guess. And some people have the motivation and discipline to do the same thing again and again to go further. You are not a human living when u have no more desire to go further

its all aabout the development of neural pathways.... lizard brain ddoesn't have any... why its all called instinct

@Shido exactly - so isn't desire a 'key' trait that makes any living thing living?

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