The topic of the self, improvement and otherwise, is brought up I guess because what are these men to do with their lives if they're not going to get married and the whole picket fence thing?

@KD you are still framing things as a display for others

RIP news got purged.

That's not entirely true KD

sorry, reaper

I don't better myself because I want others to like me

I could care less if anyone even sees my self improvement as improvement, I am the only judge

Well, if you're not healthy in some and realize that you need to work on something, how is that a bad thing?

I better myself because I have goals that I had since I was a child, and I'm moving towards improving them

@KingGiraffasaur agreed me too

achieving them* sorry, it's late where I am, a bit tire

I am underweight and I realize I need to eat better and workout, is that a bad thing?

It's not.

I think the MGTOW channels talk about self improvement to motivate others, no?

I dont think thats the point he was bringing up

@KD I don't talk about my self improvement with others this is an exception because this is a discussion amongst fellow mgtow

Mgtow is often used a vehicle for self-improvement

Oh, yeah I don't really care to speak about it with others

I'm not like "20 more pounds till I bulk to 205"

Well who died and made you king KD?

It's about going your OWN way

@KingGiraffasaur right?

if that includes self improvement then what's the issue?

If that way includes self-improvement which it tends to do, so be it

no you're injecting your opinion as fact

We aren't

Okay hold up

Its encouraged

You haven't been on the /r/TheRedpill have you? Lol.

"I don't see other communities obsessing over self improvement."

Right it's like I hear the shaming language about to come out

Red Man Group?

Try going over to /r/GetMotivated

Rich Cooper for one

Well, reddit is shit so yeah, but my point still holds.

No co-habitation.
No marriage.
Everything *else* is permitted.

LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE IS PERMITTED

I don't get what your point is, even if people have some defects, what's wrong with people wanting to work on it?

I look away for a min and the chat becomes 🔥 👀

@KingGiraffasaur see the thing is even when I say self improvement it is on my own terms, if a man realizes how dumb it is to marry or cohabitate, THAT is self improvement to me

I just joined after 2 years of watching mgtow videos