@ColdEmbraceOfDeath thing is to me without self improvement even us mgtow would kind of just be a bunch of whiney bitches

The anger/rage/depression phase are part of the game but mgtow is not mgtow unless you move past them eventually

Justification for what?

The way I see it is do what you want that gives you a sense of purpose or that enables you to be content, more than self improvement by itself.

@KD I think that getting over the need for validation is the most important aspect and I consider it to be a step towards self improvement

Well, primarily it is a response to how things are, male nature, female nature, current social circumstances.

@KD if you do absolutely nothing to improve your life but stop simping for validation you are already winning in my eyes

The topic of the self, improvement and otherwise, is brought up I guess because what are these men to do with their lives if they're not going to get married and the whole picket fence thing?

@KD you are still framing things as a display for others

RIP news got purged.

That's not entirely true KD

sorry, reaper

I don't better myself because I want others to like me

I could care less if anyone even sees my self improvement as improvement, I am the only judge

Well, if you're not healthy in some and realize that you need to work on something, how is that a bad thing?

I better myself because I have goals that I had since I was a child, and I'm moving towards improving them

@KingGiraffasaur agreed me too

achieving them* sorry, it's late where I am, a bit tire

I am underweight and I realize I need to eat better and workout, is that a bad thing?

It's not.

I think the MGTOW channels talk about self improvement to motivate others, no?

I dont think thats the point he was bringing up

@KD I don't talk about my self improvement with others this is an exception because this is a discussion amongst fellow mgtow

Mgtow is often used a vehicle for self-improvement

Oh, yeah I don't really care to speak about it with others

I'm not like "20 more pounds till I bulk to 205"

Well who died and made you king KD?

It's about going your OWN way

@KingGiraffasaur right?

if that includes self improvement then what's the issue?

If that way includes self-improvement which it tends to do, so be it

no you're injecting your opinion as fact

We aren't

Okay hold up

Its encouraged

You haven't been on the /r/TheRedpill have you? Lol.

"I don't see other communities obsessing over self improvement."

Right it's like I hear the shaming language about to come out

Red Man Group?

Try going over to /r/GetMotivated

Rich Cooper for one