Feminism sucks but traditionalist values sucked even more.

Maybe I judge values on their results, only way to be objective

Well, the result of feminism is that men are now free.

Back 200 years ago, they really werent.

Interesting.

Wtf I love feminism now /s

For instance in america, they had bachelor taxes and excluded bachelors from most occupations

and "free" men were used for work that was dangerous, cause they werent going to invest in any safety, but you wouldnt want to risk ive and limb of your property, your slave

but, thats not really objective. Becouse how are you going to differentiate a positive from a negative result? @32but23mentally

You can use normative ethics which will objectively tell you which is and isnt ethical, buuut that doesnt get you over arguing wether one should or shouldnt be ethical let alone which system of normative ethics you are going to use

@Redneo I've never even taken the basics of philosophy lol when I say results I mean the standard of living for the people living under that prevailing mindset

Measured by wellbeing or GDP or...?

Compared to say the more paganistic framework of tribes in rural areas

Well being life expectancy

OK, can someone lista 3 values that exist in the western society that are related to relationships?

I want to compare with our values in here

Get married, have kids, insert 3rd value here

Provide, protect and obey.

For some reason splitting the bill is rude

providing and protecting have been the primary masculine values in relation to that for a long time

NOT spliting the Bill in here is rude

Which country is that?

setting up my new headset for vc

Nice

Sounds good

Provide... OK, get married and get kids....not pushed so hard but OK,

@Bishop of Wasd Brasil

When I think of Western values I imagine 1.male breadwinner 2.church goers 3. Strong supporter of mic 4.nationalists

Looks like I'm headed South. Even though I don't speak Portuguese

@MufflePuff obey.... Not so much. Is like a loose value in here

You're not wrong, 32

Watch out alot of muggins in brazil

But they do have the highest rate of per person plastic surgery

Also, those values mentioned.... Looks more like duties

So at least most of the girls look good but that's subjective and could defeat the purpose of your relocation lol

Ahahaha yes kaze

They are in a way. We're taught at a very young age that we have to be strong breadwinners

But it was always ether duty to state or church unless you went off the plantation

Mgtows not new it's just a label we've started to use

Who is it that coined the term?

Have no idea