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The two are intertwined.

How so?

Explain theb

They're connected on the level at what human being is.

And if we have the right to mess around with it.

We are it

i think we dont have the right, we have the responsibility to.

We have the right to do whatever we think is best to ourselves

Lol no.

do you agree, @Thijs Peters with laws against incest?

Do you believe in God? Is that it?

Ahhhhhh right. Because if we can fuck with a child, we devalue it 🤔

whos to say that the disabled incest child is worth less?

In this case you're not doing what is best for yourself, you're deciding for a different person.

We do that all the time

Damnit Peters is on fire 👏🏽

We decide that a person would be better off existing than not

When we have a kid

well yeah.

No. We accept that a kid is living.

What we want is already more valuable than the unexistibg child

And let it live.

With a GMH however we dont decide wether or not someone gets to live, we decide what disadvantages and advantages they will have

No we make the kid. Our decision is to make a kid

I'm not deciding that you are better off existing if I let you live.

Wrong. The whole process involves many children not make it.

Okay

They implant many babies, only 1 or 2 will latch on.

What?

That's how IVF works.

So you arent ACTUALY talking about geneticly engineering a human but the practices we actualy in effect have right now of fertilising multiple eggs and having one of theem?

I'm talking about having sex and having a kid

thats not genetic engineering

thats selection

Genetic engineering needs IVF to complete the process in the first place.

@shadowlessnexus that question was to @Thijs Peters

and whats wrong with IVF?

It's very simple. Have sex, have babies.

When you have a kid with a women you are already deciding the kid is better off existing than not.

you dont need to fertilise multiple eggs