When we have a kid

well yeah.

No. We accept that a kid is living.

What we want is already more valuable than the unexistibg child

And let it live.

With a GMH however we dont decide wether or not someone gets to live, we decide what disadvantages and advantages they will have

No we make the kid. Our decision is to make a kid

I'm not deciding that you are better off existing if I let you live.

Wrong. The whole process involves many children not make it.

Okay

They implant many babies, only 1 or 2 will latch on.

What?

That's how IVF works.

So you arent ACTUALY talking about geneticly engineering a human but the practices we actualy in effect have right now of fertilising multiple eggs and having one of theem?

I'm talking about having sex and having a kid

thats not genetic engineering

thats selection

Genetic engineering needs IVF to complete the process in the first place.

@shadowlessnexus that question was to @Thijs Peters

and whats wrong with IVF?

It's very simple. Have sex, have babies.

When you have a kid with a women you are already deciding the kid is better off existing than not.

you dont need to fertilise multiple eggs

If you can't then don't.

in IVF

CURRENTLY we do becouse we dont geneticly engineer humans, we cant do that yet

we can only select of multiple fertilised eggs. Thats not genetic engineering

China genetically engineered a kid.

Ah well.

Anyway your point on genetic engineering is moot anyway. Humans have been doing it for thousands and thousands of years

To plants to many animals...

well not exactly. At best we irradiated them to increase mutation and selected the best of the random sample

thats not editing any genes directly

How is it any different in principle?

Selecting the cutest wolf to live with people, selecting the best crops and breeding them

Well if you just throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks, then some of the result will be discarded

This is just that. But precise

And since peters thinks a fetus must be protected from the earliest state that is relevant

the methods i know about that are pretty much done is just fertilising multiple eggs and only using one of them. Thus killing some fertilised eggs

also. another thing. women genetically engineer men to. they all want the tallest guy, with the most muscles, and blah blah blah

but direct edititng makes that unneccessary