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@agogeghost I don't think we've evolved beyond our 10,000 year old self. And I'm not saying what modernity offers is entirely bad, but it brings a host of new problems that we're not biologically equipped to handle, and this will be even more true as the years ago by.

When there is a family like this... it truly is a blessing and I love it. I truly do. It's beautiful. However, even in these families I see women shit testing their husbands/sons and even me. I see hypergamy, even in a christian community.

@Kaiser Dion Napoleon Indeed!

@AllThingsExpendable Agreed!

@agogeghost that's where I disagree I think that there is a reason that stories like Icarus exist, man has created technologies before, but always uses them to destroy himself and the progress, then comes a dark age rinse and repeat

@AllThingsExpendable eg. tinder, social media, etc

@Reaper Yes but what causes the collapse usually? Welfare. Utopia.

@Reaper Yeah, that makes sense.

If you maintain strong technology but allow individuals to be the authority figures in their own lives, I don't think it would collapse.

Utopia is such a bittersweet concept......trying to achieve one is always going to be the very reason a society fails

@agogeghost please look at ww2 and see the level of technology we had At that time explicitly to kill each other, then look at farm equipment at the same time? Is technological progress really necessarily good??

I believe that trying to control others or " fix " society is the one true evil. You live your life your way and contribute to collective efforts where you decide it benefits you to do so. Any type of forced collectivism or controling of other's free will is where corruption starts and bad things tend to follow.

But the funny part is. If you weren't trying to achieve a utopia and just did what created the greatest results with the least drawbacks. Eventually you could create something almost like a utopia

Would take a long time though

The people starting it would have to have a insane amount of delayed gratification which goes against human nature

I agree with just focusing on making the world around you a little bit better every day. I think anyone is fooling themselves if they think that they can achieve a utopia.

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Utopia cannot even be conceptualized without wholesale ignoring human nature

@Lilu I do this with my little neighborhood, it works out wonderfully when people actually try understanding one another.

@Reaper Sh.. take my hand... let's skip to Utopia. Close your eyes... just imagine...

Hell yeah.....we really need some kind of gene editing technology to start thinking of it

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@Reaper No, I agree. I still argue all technology and progress is good. You can interpret that as evil.

@agogeghost make me a believer!!, lol

We live in the realm of the relative. Everything only exists in contrast to it's exact opposite. I live in near Chicago and when I travel to places like California or Florida and see people wearing jackets and gloves when it's in the mid 60's and then watch people in Russian swiming in holes in the ice you begin to understand.

Our concept of good and bad, pain and pleasure, etc... is all in compairison to an average of what we experience.

@Lilu so if I stabbed you in the neck would you only die if you believed my knife was real?

I view technological advances as the greatest thing humans can do, especially more so then worshipping some God who may or may not exist

@Reaper I'm not sure what the point of that comment is.

Through technology is how we will even learn the truth

Relativity is for woman and children men must deal with odjective reality

Otherwise we are just wasting time

@Kaiser Dion Napoleon I agree 100%.

My goal is to be the best engineer I can be.

I want to build cool shit.

What kind of engineering?

I WILL BUILD US TO UTOPIA GET ON MA BACK

robotics aerospace?

@Punished Korgoth I actually switched from mechanical to software.