@Templar I know the feeling

am old.

your basically already dead.

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@Templar you must be seeing a lot of old crushes smashing the wall too

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dammit!

my music!

Fck you Nexus

what's with the VC migration?

***BANNABLE OFFENSE*** lol

I went so I could stay by the fire n stay warm...lol

Oh! @Happy Humble Hermit Wanted to thank you for reccomending 'The Rational Male' I am halfway into the third volume and while I think the books have some serious blindspots they also have some great insights about male nature that I havn't seen elsewhere.

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*"Can* *i* *get* *a* *Mc* *Quadruple* *ban?"*

*"It* *sounds* *funny."*

a lot of men don't actually speak about male nature in mgtow. but it is very important to learn

the more you can understand about yourself, the more you can see that society is out of balance

@Kragt What I personally can't get behind from "The Rational Male" is "The Burden of Performance". I mean, why, he puts it in a gynocentric way. You as a man have to "perform" for the female or else she won't accept you. Which is true, but why do it for a female at all? 😄

Yeah, the book still focuses on female nature but it covers ideas and terms like 'relationship equity' and some possible explanations for why guys tend to do stuff like that. (Though most of the time it is just 'raised on messages to do this to serve the female imperitive')

@Justinian , you are starting to see the light

@Justinian Its not just women. You have to perform for men too. Human beings have an innate female bias that makes them not care about men. Most men don't even care about other men unless they do something useful.

@RP Nah i get it, but I'm just saying it's his blind spot. His gynocentric blind spot.

And yeah The Rational Male has a more PUA get into relationships focus over a MGTOW focus but he shifts a bit more towards the latter in his 3rd volume.

ok

@Justinian Oh yeah... he doesn't even say avoid marriage because it is a bad deal until his 3rd book.
Before then he just says 'avoid long term relationships and commitments because they weaken your ability to have choices which give you frame/you might regress to being a beta while in a relationship'

@Kragt I don't believe in "have to". I choose what I want to do, not because someone else man or woman finds it useful, but i guess it depends on where one works/what his profession is.

when reproduction / sex is taken off the table, just watch what a man will do

@Kragt Yea, well I just looked at my own experience and at statistics and at other men's experiences and I concluded: fuck it, no marriage and children for me.

@RP I agree, sex outside of fwb/one night stands was my thing for a long time. Now I'm more monk and sometimes fwb, but I get it we as men have to be careful nowadays with metoo etc.

'have to' may or may not be the right choice of words. But as a man you are invisible and judged first on how you carry yourself or your mannerisms or game. That is your performance in rollo's definition. You do it even if you do nothing.

But when applied to other men it does a similar thing. You are always being judged on your future utility to other men. This is where the male version of shit tests (ribbing/fuck you) come into play.

Also yeah, I am not arguing that point (marriage/children) at all and it is one of my biggest criticisms of his book.

@Kragt True, but there comes a time when as a guy i thought: fuck it, I don't care what anybody thinks men or women. But I agree: men see other men that way.

Thats fine, but then that becomes your performance. At least in rollo's idea.

@Kragt Of course, I do what I need to do for myself, but it ends there for the most. I help some buddies sometimes, but outside that, nah.

Yup yup.

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bob

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@The Bro named the bro. has chungus pfp. i like this guy

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oh god