Message from @Wizard_of_The_West
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you forget, only well-off middle class neets can afford to be leftists
Maybe idk
Would be interesting to see the class spread of socialists/capitalists among the voting demographic
I get the feeling the lower rungs of that ladder don't have much faith in either
I'd suspect people from broken homes are particularly strong on socialism
Might be my personal bias but it seems logical that for example kids from single mother homes are more likely to ask for help because they haven't learned from their dad to stand on their own feet
well having an intact family myself and having experienced a period without a home to our name, I can tell you different
it has very little to do with 'asking for help'
Yeah maybe Aydin Paladin has something about that on her channel
it wasn't socialism that kept my dad out of work in the industry he was skilled in while west-indians and other euros filled office cubicles
the current variations of socialism and capitalism in this country are both insufficient for the unaccountably impoverished and/or homeless
I say unaccountably to delineate from those suffering the foreseen consequences of their actions or lack thereof
I don't believe in people being unaccountable for their poverty in the US
It may happen in extremely fringe cases, like getting hit by lightning or by a train
then you just don't believe in the 2008 housing crash
No, I don't believe that ignorance makes innocent
so banks gamble away their holders' money, create a giant system of artificial value around subprime mortgages, and its the clients' fault?
Yes
No, I'm not saying the fault lies exclusively with one party
I think thats a dumb way of looking at it, it's expecting a random guy to predict and then respond to events in the future that many economists didnt understand
I'm saying fault is rarely a black and white issue, that's almost exclusively a thing for children
Congress was creating the legislation at the time to ensure maximum bubble popping too
I blame people who stay in geographically unsafe locations
Then they bail themselves out because their investment companies went tits up
yes, the government is also at fault, but he seems to be placing a bizarre amount of it on the citizenry that got absolutely fucked
My entire philosophy is built around maximization of the self-ownership of responsibility
If you're not willing to maximize your accountability, then you must not blame other people first before yourself for your own failures
okay, you're walking down a sidewalk on a busy street. a car blows a tire and swerves, hitting you. was it your responsibility to have not been on that patch of fucking sidewalk?
That has nothing to do with our debate
it rather does
No-one is responsible for large scale changes that screw people over, and many people simply dont have the resources to actually do anything about it
You're bringing up a fringe scenario to win an argument about the average situation
I already said, getting struck by lightning doesn't count
a massive economic crash is not an average fucking situation
If your philosophy is true than it should apply in all situations
Most people who live in poverty don't do so because of an economic crash
no, which is why I stipulated unnacountably
you're just denying such a thing exists, in a fucking victorian era mindset
But you brought up the 2008 crash, so you gave an example of a case that is not mainly responsible for poverty
losing one's home and money tends to be followed very closely by poverty