Message from @Tiberius

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2019-12-06 06:07:07 UTC  

much like herpes, I will never leave

2019-12-06 06:07:21 UTC  

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2019-12-06 06:11:19 UTC  

Equality of opportunity predates marx

2019-12-06 06:11:26 UTC  

By a couple hundred years

2019-12-06 06:12:26 UTC  

Marx was a total failure and everywhere in the world his ideas have been attempted they have self destructed, the communist manifesto is nothing more than whinging drivel.

2019-12-06 06:13:07 UTC  

while the end of scarcity is far beyond any of our lifetimes, basically yes

2019-12-06 06:13:37 UTC  

or, I guess that's socialism, full scale communism or marxism doesn't even merit that caveat

2019-12-06 06:13:38 UTC  

Equality of opportunity is an enlightenment value and is the principle that no one should be unjustly descriminated against or precluded from opportunity

2019-12-06 06:14:16 UTC  

Marx posited people could not be equal while individuals owned private property and private means of production. Blatantly false

2019-12-06 06:14:51 UTC  

the margin of people genuinely disenfranchised from opportunity is a fair sight overadvertised, granted

2019-12-06 06:15:50 UTC  

Socialism, state ownership of resources and means of production is the antithesis to equality of opportunity because opportunity is removed from the equation, instead of a meritocracy where the best and brightest excel the most the state determines how successful you can be

2019-12-06 06:16:04 UTC  

though even accounting for the genuinely disenfranchised, its rarely clear who has taken it from them or who should intervene

2019-12-06 06:16:15 UTC  

Communism is impossible due to the fact that it requires the removal of basic human nature

2019-12-06 06:16:39 UTC  

Perfect people do not exist and the average worker is out for himself and his "tribe"

2019-12-06 06:17:24 UTC  

Allowing mob ownership of resources and the means of production outside of a municipal level is economic suicide

2019-12-06 06:18:17 UTC  

Socialism is so far both unviable and unnattractive. the day scarcity of resources is solved, if ever, certainly not in any generation too soon after ours, it'll only be unnattractive

2019-12-06 06:19:14 UTC  

Socialism will never be viable as it still operates on the principles of scarcity, implying that there are only so many resources available and its immoral to allow any one person to own "too much"

2019-12-06 06:19:16 UTC  

my point being it could work in a completely different world

2019-12-06 06:19:57 UTC  

When and if scarcity is solved then we will have to come up with a completely new system of economics from scratch

2019-12-06 06:20:05 UTC  

I wouldn't imagine I'd ever see such a world, or even wish to participate in it, I'm just saying

2019-12-06 06:20:44 UTC  

I dont think scarcity will ever be solved

2019-12-06 06:20:54 UTC  

We will annihilate ourselves before then

2019-12-06 06:21:01 UTC  

maybe

2019-12-06 06:21:25 UTC  

though if the fusion tech tree bears fruit, maybe not

2019-12-06 06:21:52 UTC  

Whatever economic illiterates want to say capitalism is the best economic system we presently have

2019-12-06 06:22:30 UTC  

Although it will be interesting to see how A.I. changes that

2019-12-06 06:22:32 UTC  

best is a bit of a stretch. I'd simply call it the one with the lowest failure rate and most outwardly attractive

2019-12-06 06:22:49 UTC  

Thus meaning the best we have currently ^

2019-12-06 06:23:17 UTC  

I'm not comfortable calling a system best when its so easily manipulated into boom-bust cycles

2019-12-06 06:23:33 UTC  

The fact that it has lifted the entire western world out of destitution and poverty helps its case

2019-12-06 06:24:00 UTC  

I don't even think we know the mechanisms by which a capitalist economy fully functions

2019-12-06 06:24:17 UTC  

Most conservatives should be in favor of A.I. and UBI as A.I. progresses

2019-12-06 06:24:20 UTC  

like, from a manipulation perspective

2019-12-06 06:24:47 UTC  

as a conservative, I don't agree

2019-12-06 06:24:49 UTC  

Milton Freeman the father of modern conservative economics talks about it extensively

2019-12-06 06:24:50 UTC  

of course not. Economists are in the business of making determinations against certainties or uncertainties, not guarantees

2019-12-06 06:25:10 UTC  

but make a case

2019-12-06 06:25:32 UTC  

The entire point of UBI is similar to what goes on in Alaska, rather than the money just going to the government it goes to the citizens

2019-12-06 06:25:45 UTC  

oh jesus fuck, the worst person in the country to bitch about chumming up with war criminals

2019-12-06 06:25:53 UTC  

great, now no one will care