Message from @Tiberius

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2019-12-06 06:16:04 UTC  

though even accounting for the genuinely disenfranchised, its rarely clear who has taken it from them or who should intervene

2019-12-06 06:16:15 UTC  

Communism is impossible due to the fact that it requires the removal of basic human nature

2019-12-06 06:16:39 UTC  

Perfect people do not exist and the average worker is out for himself and his "tribe"

2019-12-06 06:17:24 UTC  

Allowing mob ownership of resources and the means of production outside of a municipal level is economic suicide

2019-12-06 06:18:17 UTC  

Socialism is so far both unviable and unnattractive. the day scarcity of resources is solved, if ever, certainly not in any generation too soon after ours, it'll only be unnattractive

2019-12-06 06:19:14 UTC  

Socialism will never be viable as it still operates on the principles of scarcity, implying that there are only so many resources available and its immoral to allow any one person to own "too much"

2019-12-06 06:19:16 UTC  

my point being it could work in a completely different world

2019-12-06 06:19:57 UTC  

When and if scarcity is solved then we will have to come up with a completely new system of economics from scratch

2019-12-06 06:20:05 UTC  

I wouldn't imagine I'd ever see such a world, or even wish to participate in it, I'm just saying

2019-12-06 06:20:44 UTC  

I dont think scarcity will ever be solved

2019-12-06 06:20:54 UTC  

We will annihilate ourselves before then

2019-12-06 06:21:01 UTC  

maybe

2019-12-06 06:21:25 UTC  

though if the fusion tech tree bears fruit, maybe not

2019-12-06 06:21:52 UTC  

Whatever economic illiterates want to say capitalism is the best economic system we presently have

2019-12-06 06:22:30 UTC  

Although it will be interesting to see how A.I. changes that

2019-12-06 06:22:32 UTC  

best is a bit of a stretch. I'd simply call it the one with the lowest failure rate and most outwardly attractive

2019-12-06 06:22:49 UTC  

Thus meaning the best we have currently ^

2019-12-06 06:23:17 UTC  

I'm not comfortable calling a system best when its so easily manipulated into boom-bust cycles

2019-12-06 06:23:33 UTC  

The fact that it has lifted the entire western world out of destitution and poverty helps its case

2019-12-06 06:24:00 UTC  

I don't even think we know the mechanisms by which a capitalist economy fully functions

2019-12-06 06:24:17 UTC  

Most conservatives should be in favor of A.I. and UBI as A.I. progresses

2019-12-06 06:24:20 UTC  

like, from a manipulation perspective

2019-12-06 06:24:47 UTC  

as a conservative, I don't agree

2019-12-06 06:24:49 UTC  

Milton Freeman the father of modern conservative economics talks about it extensively

2019-12-06 06:24:50 UTC  

of course not. Economists are in the business of making determinations against certainties or uncertainties, not guarantees

2019-12-06 06:25:10 UTC  

but make a case

2019-12-06 06:25:32 UTC  

The entire point of UBI is similar to what goes on in Alaska, rather than the money just going to the government it goes to the citizens

2019-12-06 06:25:45 UTC  

oh jesus fuck, the worst person in the country to bitch about chumming up with war criminals

2019-12-06 06:25:53 UTC  

great, now no one will care

2019-12-06 06:26:01 UTC  

thank you, you devil

2019-12-06 06:26:34 UTC  

Alaska does this with the oil companies up there, the governor basically said "well we have to tax them more, do you want the money or should it be turned over to the feds"

2019-12-06 06:26:46 UTC  

Alaskans presently get 2k a year from oil money

2019-12-06 06:27:12 UTC  

This would have to be more heavily considered as automation starts to do away with more and more jobs

2019-12-06 06:27:30 UTC  

wonder how Texas doesn't get that from its oil and gold infrastructure

2019-12-06 06:27:32 UTC  

Unarmed security, food service, trucking, clerical work and call center work etc.

2019-12-06 06:28:40 UTC  

Trucking is the most populated industry in the country and that industry is seeing the predawn glow of automation and will be largely automated for OTR operations, local jobs will still exist but thats up in the air with stores doing more direct deliveries from DCs

2019-12-06 06:29:21 UTC  

Food service would be laughably easy to automate and so would call centers and clerical jobs

2019-12-06 06:29:23 UTC  

Acounting

2019-12-06 06:29:25 UTC  

Etc.

2019-12-06 06:29:47 UTC  

As the digital era advances our service economy will disappear in favor of an information economy