Message from @calman21

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2019-12-06 06:38:32 UTC  

corporations are run by people, and people aren't machines

2019-12-06 06:38:49 UTC  

You mean the automotive industry that automated away their assembly line?

2019-12-06 06:38:50 UTC  

You don't become a successful megacorp without taking the long view. That said, they are by no means immune to short-term impulsiveness.

2019-12-06 06:39:10 UTC  

people are the cogs in the corporate machine, they know their overall mission. create wealth

2019-12-06 06:39:12 UTC  

for good or ill

2019-12-06 06:39:18 UTC  

what about corporations that make millions doing immoral practices? Like Nestle and funding slavery in cocoa fields

2019-12-06 06:39:21 UTC  

New Coke was one example.

2019-12-06 06:39:46 UTC  

They are taking the long view, Tea. They're just being very very shitty about it.

2019-12-06 06:39:49 UTC  

We automated away several million manufacturing jobs

2019-12-06 06:39:50 UTC  

publicly owned and traded corps do not care about consequences

2019-12-06 06:39:58 UTC  

Thats part of WHY trump was elected

2019-12-06 06:40:11 UTC  

tbh generations don't care about consequences. "Won't affect me" is what I hear a lot of people state

2019-12-06 06:40:33 UTC  

"I won't be alive when it ruins the Earth"

2019-12-06 06:41:10 UTC  

I need to see more substantive proof that we automated our jobs away than andrew yang stating such, he is the only person I have seen who says that; it makes more sense to me that we have lost factory work to China because they have been undercutting our labor costs with their slave labor

2019-12-06 06:41:20 UTC  

yes, and he's done absolutely nothing to revive, say, steel jobs

2019-12-06 06:41:29 UTC  

automobile assembly line is very easy to research

2019-12-06 06:41:33 UTC  

YEs and computers eliminated millions of clerical jobs and the tractor eliminated millions of agriculture jobs. I am certain that the wheel eliminated basket-hauling jobs.....

2019-12-06 06:41:52 UTC  

also, what about the people that physically connected telephone connections? Tele-operators or whatever they were called

2019-12-06 06:42:18 UTC  

tech always replaces human workers, for better or for worse

2019-12-06 06:42:29 UTC  

Taking the long view doesn't mean one is taking responsibility for one's actions. It can just as easily apply to a very limited goal, like making as much cold, hard cash as possible over a long period of time.

2019-12-06 06:42:33 UTC  

@TeeTotaler you assume a lot about people who head corporations

2019-12-06 06:42:33 UTC  

telephone wire, holy fuck, that's going back aways

2019-12-06 06:42:55 UTC  

trump bad

2019-12-06 06:42:56 UTC  

it's just an example

2019-12-06 06:42:58 UTC  

give me money

2019-12-06 06:43:01 UTC  

Basically, the business model of the British East India Company.

2019-12-06 06:43:10 UTC  

there wasn't even a telephone connection from Berlin to Potsdam until after the first world war

2019-12-06 06:43:31 UTC  

And I think he has done something to bring back steel by de-regulating energy. It takes a fuckton of energy to run an industrial kiln. Lower energy costs make steel manufacture more viable.

2019-12-06 06:43:37 UTC  

and I assume more about publicly owned corps @calman21

2019-12-06 06:44:00 UTC  

There is no incentive to not automate low skill jobs

2019-12-06 06:44:05 UTC  

private owned corporations are far more moral and effective

2019-12-06 06:44:27 UTC  

except when low skill jobs want 15/hr and exceed the cost of automation

2019-12-06 06:44:47 UTC  

i don't know enough on the subject of private vs public corporations and their actions to make an argument against what u are saying

2019-12-06 06:45:14 UTC  

Reduced overhead
Reduced liability
Increased production capacity
Increased profit margins

2019-12-06 06:45:20 UTC  

The list goes on

2019-12-06 06:45:34 UTC  

The incentive to not automate away low skill jobs is the fact that the people who work at mcdonalds are the people who work low skill jobs

2019-12-06 06:45:37 UTC  

papa johns is a fairly good example. that corp had a lot of good benefits and treated employees well and did a lot of donations etc when it was privately owned

2019-12-06 06:45:46 UTC  

became shit when it went publicly owned

2019-12-06 06:45:52 UTC  

But sure machines increase the productivity of workers. Dirty little secret America has some of the most productive industrial labor on the planet. It is not complicated as to why. A man with a nail gun can do the work of 10 men with hammers.

2019-12-06 06:45:59 UTC  

That made no sense