Message from @Mersenne

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2019-12-07 06:58:22 UTC  

When you really get down to it, the 2020 Election will be a referendum on "Populism Vs. Establishment"

2019-12-07 06:58:33 UTC  

we cant get complacent thinking we got this handled you know

2019-12-07 06:59:23 UTC  

One thing that I've noticed is that, the major Reforms Bernie, in particular, pushes are actually the Economic Policy of the Golden Age of Capitalism (1950s). An Economy Heavily Regulated and Taxed amongst Large Corporations and the Rich, but extremely unregulated and very low taxes on your average person

2019-12-07 07:00:14 UTC  

They have the right idea by wanting to fix the taxation, but the wrong implementation

2019-12-07 07:00:44 UTC  

Correcting the ability to funnel money offshore and back into corporations would stop the loopholes that have been in use the past 20 years

2019-12-07 07:01:09 UTC  

Like IIRC, the Lower Class paid 5% in Taxes, the Middle Class paid 10%, the Upper Middle Class and Lower High Class paid 15%, and the Upper High Class paid 70% of the Taxes

2019-12-07 07:01:12 UTC  

Simply creating an arbitrary wealth tax on *capital gains* will do nothing more than discourage business owners from remaining in America

2019-12-07 07:01:42 UTC  

But UnScottable's right. Doesn't matter is the vote's obvious, getting out there and casting a ballot fucking matters.

2019-12-07 07:02:34 UTC  

Especially for midterm elections. Larger Republican turnout would have resulted in them keeping the house - 2 years of legislation passed instead of 2 years of Russiagate and Impeachment nonsense

2019-12-07 07:02:59 UTC  

I mean, deregulating average people would be pretty ideal

2019-12-07 07:03:25 UTC  

The Rich, atm, pay less in taxes than your average Joe, lol

2019-12-07 07:03:33 UTC  

Mainly bc of Capital Gains

2019-12-07 07:05:59 UTC  

Bernie used to call himself a "Civil Libertarian" for a long time, so it makes sense for why he'd want to adopt such a policy

2019-12-07 07:06:27 UTC  

Make life more free for your average person, trickling up the economy, at the same time

2019-12-07 07:09:12 UTC  

Here's the root of the problem: Partisanship.

2019-12-07 07:09:21 UTC  

Yep

2019-12-07 07:09:25 UTC  

If the Democrat's aren't promoting popular candidates, they can't win the House / Senate

2019-12-07 07:09:33 UTC  

All proposals would be implemented as Executive Orders

2019-12-07 07:09:41 UTC  

And fought vehemently in Congress

2019-12-07 07:09:47 UTC  

Ye

2019-12-07 07:10:19 UTC  

Rather than casting Hail Mary's like Impeachment and radical proposals, Dem's need to unify as a party to regain any standing in US govt

2019-12-07 07:10:39 UTC  

That's not gonna happen until they condemn the radical progressives and being appealing to centrists / moderates

2019-12-07 07:10:43 UTC  

It is pretty funny tho. The Republicans, since Reagan, have been working to Return to the 1920s (a time notorious for corruption, starting of in a huge boom and ending in a huge bust), while Bernie wants a return to the 1950s (the most prosperous time in Human History)

2019-12-07 07:11:30 UTC  

Neither party is perfect. Right now, Republican's would do less damage to the economy in the next 4 years than Democrats with their current proposals

2019-12-07 07:11:42 UTC  

Not even touching the radioactive clusterfuck that is the Green New Deal

2019-12-07 07:12:01 UTC  

Democrats and Republicans are virtually the same Party Atm; just appealing to different Demographics

2019-12-07 07:12:13 UTC  

Woah, definitely not

2019-12-07 07:12:18 UTC  

Democrats are Centrist Republicans, basically

2019-12-07 07:12:39 UTC  

That is the essence of the Two Party System in most countries

2019-12-07 07:12:40 UTC  

Absolutely not. That may have been true 10 years ago, definitely not today.

2019-12-07 07:13:09 UTC  

Correction: The Establishment Democrats and the General Republican Party

2019-12-07 07:13:19 UTC  

Ok, that's fair

2019-12-07 07:13:43 UTC  

The Democrats are a seriously fractioned party at the moment. From the AOC crowd, to progressives, to establishment.

2019-12-07 07:14:13 UTC  

Rn the Dems are like the Old Whig Party. They have no real identity and are just allied on a hatred for the other Party's Leader

2019-12-07 07:14:26 UTC  

Ah, the negative partisanship approach.

2019-12-07 07:14:35 UTC  

That works in small doses, typically right before an election.

2019-12-07 07:14:56 UTC  

However, starting the debates 6+ months earlier than 2016 was a mistake. Candidate's lose their luster.

2019-12-07 07:15:18 UTC  

And Democrats have been pushing negative partisanship for the past 2 years. Russia Investigation, Collusion Narrative, Impeachment, etc

2019-12-07 07:15:34 UTC  

This will backfire. If Impeachment goes to the Senate, it will be worse.

2019-12-07 07:16:22 UTC  

Back in the 1830s, the Dems elected a guy named Andrew Jackson (who was a complete Lunatic). He was such a controversial President that a new Party was formed called the "Whig Party", which was a party full of people who were ideologically all over the place but united by their hatred for Andrew Jackson (they actually managed to get 4 presidents elected too)

2019-12-07 07:17:26 UTC  

The problem is Trump has widespread support. His fundraising alone demonstrates Americans do not wish to have another establishment candidate.