This is the problem.

Example - extending healthcare to non-taxpaying members of this country would drastically destabilize the system.

@J.R. BOB DOBBS Welfare just means Gov't Spending. So a Welfare State is just a State where the Gov't Spends Money on things like the Police/Fire/Rescue, DMV, Military, Gov't Institutions, Health Care, Education, etc etc

True, but we'll have 4 more years of Trump.

Trump is a stop gap for now

In that respect, even China is a Welfare State

No. Welfare does not just mean govt spending.

And that's a radically disproportionate comparison.

@The Supreme Xtream Welfare is medicaid, medicare, social security, etc

Welfare has no formal definition

For the sake of argument, we can give it a definition.

The most broad definition is any gov't spending

Too broad, implementation is what's important.

And that's what the Welfare state does mean, btw

We could talk about social security alone

And the point could be made

The Welfare in Welfare State does mean Spending on Services

*Semantics*

Also, Medicare, Medicaid, and Social aren't bad

Social security was necessary in the 20th century. Today you could invest the same amount into a Roth IRA and yield 30% larger returns.

They're steps in the right direction

It's still a necessary social safety net for those who fail to invest.

I would argue get rid of Medicate and just let everyone have Medicare

There's a reason welfare programs are woefully inadequate in comparison to a free market.

Well, unless you're talking Health Care

Especially health care.

No

Yes.

Private Health Care is awful, lol

Nationalizing health care would drastically increase the wait time, while reducing the quality, and quantity of services offered.

You want to talk about taxation without representation, the social security example is a good one. Paying into a system that will go broke that you have no part in.

You already have Wait times under the Private System

^ Agreed. You should have an opt-out on social security.

The Private Wait Times are based on the Size of your Wallet

However, because the system is a national social program, it would destablize it completely.

Public Wait times are on Need

Is not wealth transfers from the young to the old a form of misrepresentation?

"Need"

Christ

NO

Also, when you say "private healthcare"