Message from @Bringerof_D

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2019-12-14 05:50:16 UTC  

eh i dont think the problem is a lack of world wars

2019-12-14 05:50:23 UTC  

not world wars

2019-12-14 05:50:23 UTC  

if you fight another major power, they may melt your neighborhood with your kids and wife

2019-12-14 05:50:32 UTC  

hear me out

2019-12-14 05:50:35 UTC  

or really any wars really

2019-12-14 05:51:44 UTC  

"I'm of the opinion that much of the global problems we have today are caused by the fact that most of the major powers stopped fighting wars properly "
i think the problem is more like most countries dont really use what they have to grow themselfs.

2019-12-14 05:51:49 UTC  

what makes you think a world war isn't going on now? it's not like in the previous 2 people on the first day said 'holy shit, a new world war is starting"

2019-12-14 05:52:02 UTC  

they want control, not for their people to do well.

2019-12-14 05:52:08 UTC  

Allow me to rephrase

2019-12-14 05:52:30 UTC  

Having gotten themselves into wars, they've stopped finishing them properly.

2019-12-14 05:52:36 UTC  

it's like how people wonder if we're headed for a civil war, we might have already done that (we can call it civil unrest because it's on a slow burn)

2019-12-14 05:52:40 UTC  

it's not the amount of wars

2019-12-14 05:52:49 UTC  

it's not that they SHOULD fight wars

2019-12-14 05:53:09 UTC  

it's that when war occurs it must be fought properly, it must be concluded properly

2019-12-14 05:53:19 UTC  

oh, you're british?

2019-12-14 05:53:29 UTC  

the US has the same problem

2019-12-14 05:53:41 UTC  

getting into a bunch of wars and not fighting to win really.

2019-12-14 05:53:53 UTC  

No Canadian

2019-12-14 05:54:52 UTC  

us USA people tend to do wars down south style, lots of duct tape and superglue

2019-12-14 05:56:05 UTC  

But look at the european empires, see where they've been. Look at native NA populations, African populations, what they've done and the way their territories have shifted and which ones are stable or not stable.

2019-12-14 05:58:10 UTC  

Areas where one group has successfully subjugated the others for a long time and either continue to hold power, or have otherwise transitioned into a coexisting state, those are the stable ones

2019-12-14 05:59:12 UTC  

Areas where the invaders have come, conquered, then left or lost control, those are areas of instability.

2019-12-14 05:59:25 UTC  

this seems to be very consistent

2019-12-14 05:59:31 UTC  

for obvious reason

2019-12-14 05:59:39 UTC  

I saw the word *trebuchet* and now I'm invested.

2019-12-14 06:01:59 UTC  

The long and short of it is. If you're going to get into a war, not that you should, after victory you need to be able to secure and occupy territory for at a long time.

2019-12-14 06:02:26 UTC  

Depends on your desired outcome.

2019-12-14 06:03:19 UTC  

If you seek to exert biological dominance over the largest geographic area with no regards to social stability or the establishment of government, the Mongol Empire comes to mind.

2019-12-14 06:03:59 UTC  

But for the longevity and prosperity of a nation, you're arguments solid.

2019-12-14 06:04:09 UTC  

I'm talking about for example if one side is trying to genocide you, and you want them to stop.

2019-12-14 06:04:21 UTC  

you can't just beat them in and leave

2019-12-14 06:04:33 UTC  

that just fuels the fire for their next attempt

2019-12-14 06:05:08 UTC  

Not necessarily. Take the Armenian Genocide committed by the Ottoman Empire.

2019-12-14 06:05:57 UTC  

right, a core idea in war is that your end objective is a psychological defeat @Bringerof_D

2019-12-14 06:06:05 UTC  

occupation must last long enough that the ones who held the original ideology that pushed them to hate you are dead. Long enough that those who hold a grudge over their defeat are dead. Long enough that everyone alive has lived under your rule, your system and considers it to be normal.

2019-12-14 06:07:12 UTC  

That's an unfortunate truth. The eradication of the opposing ideology and complete demoralization of a people is truly required for the death of a culture.

2019-12-14 06:07:44 UTC  

practicality often stands at odds with morality unfortunately.

2019-12-14 06:09:01 UTC  

Additionally, removing a system required the inception of a more preferable societal structure to prevent resurgence. This is historically accomplished by individual and economic empowerment, while the subjugation of conquered nations instills the seeds of contempt for future warfare.

2019-12-14 06:09:09 UTC  

exactly

2019-12-14 06:09:29 UTC  

when i say occupy, its not neccesarily by oppression and force

2019-12-14 06:09:48 UTC  

The Treaty of Versailles being the best example of how imposing consequences upon the defeated can result in the revenge of a naiton.