if someone says "we need to give homes to the homeless" but never give any of their own money to that goal then that is them not careing, they only want to spend tax money.

they can rationally argue their beliefs, so, i believe them'

i think we had a slight miscommunication there

progressives dont, they just call you names when you ask too many questions

we?

The left having stolen the title of liberals, have just taken their care and fairness slogans

i agree that a lot of liberals really aren't and it's easy to figure out if they are

where do they stand on free, unrestricted speech and the right to assemble with whoever they please

An easier criticism of radical progressives would be to compare the two ends of the political compass. One element being that extreme members of the conservative spectrum - ie. the Alt-Right types - tend to be White Ethno-nationalits while extremists progressives often condemn the Caucasian race as the root of all problems.

IF, they say 'well free speech but they need to use their preferred pronouns" <--- that's not a liberal

The point is *NOT* to focus on the racial elements, but to understand that comparing both ends of the spectrum is one of the best ways to identify an extremist perspective.

In reality they're just power hungry tyrants who think a total flip of the system will put them in a position to occupy the upper rungs of society

agreed

its basically extremely difficult, since there isn't any major party in.. well any country I've heard of, that embodies basically this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/462102922533142558/655295877526716416/unknown.png

as long as we're clear clear we're talking about Liberals OR Lefties, communication will be good

basically all of those major points

agreed

i don't even like the phrase LIBTARD because it refers to lefties who say they're liberals (even if the person using the phrase doesn't know it)

though I often find qualms with laissez-faire

It's important to recognize that the current "Democratic" party is fractioned between different groups with vastly different mindsets.

LEFTARD is fine with me

Radicals, Progressives, and classic liberals being the largest groups.

the issue is too many people including us when we aren't paying specific attention to it for the purposes of discussion like right now, we tie liberal and left together, and conservative and right together.

yes @Mersenne agreed

RIGHT is rather vague

Conservatives have some general characteristics they may or may not share with other people on the Right

Conservative's has actually gravitated towards a more central agreement on values and principles.

^^^^

Which is why in any conversation where it comes up I explicitly lay out that when I say republican or democrat, I'm explicitly referring to elected or appointed political entities

they did this in the cold war, intentionally

thats because conservative and liberal are relative to the societal shift, while right and left are the ends of the graph

whereas when I say liberal or conservative, I refer to voters or citizenry

they realized at some point that the Commies were a bit too strong of a force and we needed to work together really well

i can't remember the name of it, but they had a name for that coalition

it wasn't often mentioned in public

yeah, down-to-earth conservatives, sometimes the nebulous 'paleo-conservatives,' are fine to talk to

Lets say the pendulum really begins to swing and everyone starts getting more religious and right wing.

I think if we are to use the terms properly conservatives would be the ones then trying to hold things where they are and the liberals, moving things towards the right (back towards the more fair center)

I think actually Tucker coined and stuck by Paleo-conservative, but its a bit fuzzy, so don't quote me

when all of those conservatives started working together, they started sharing their principles and gravitated towards each other

Looking at the graph of political viewpoints and values, the Democratic party as jolted to the far left, leaving a wide spread of ideologies reflected in the large diversity of candidate's views.

This also becomes irrelevent when candidates constantly shift their stance on key issues to win the court of popular opinion.

that's why i get irritated at people who have Shapiro and Crowder derangement syndrome without anything but vague 'he said bad things about GEOTUS' or ' he's a neocon'