based on what beliefs? how do you know what their real beliefs are?

they openly say they don't want the system to be fair to people who have done better then others.

and they don't care about the people they often leave behind.

I'm speaking from a moral foundations theory. Those of the progressive mindset value care and fairness, while those of the more centrist and conservative mindset value loyalty, authority, sanctity and liberty.

do the progressives voluntarialy give their money to the taxman, over and above what they owe? it's a lie

No, care and fairness are the hallmark of your classical liberal.

centrists

and center leftists

The goal of the progressives is not fairness, those are stepping stones to having lots of power

Agreed. There's more variance and I'm generalizing to explain the undertones of their points.

lol, really @Bringerof_D does that manifest in their everyday lives?

the left have no care for it, they just want a flip in the system where they think they'll end up at the top because they truly believe they are at the bottom.

it does, and it manifests in their political choices

buy their political selling pamphlet text, go for it. i, instead, watch what they really do

Classical liberals

the ones that want open competition, actual meritocracy

classical liberals are ok

Classical liberals is a fair characterization. By modern day standard they've become the politically homeless centrists.

if someone says "we need to give homes to the homeless" but never give any of their own money to that goal then that is them not careing, they only want to spend tax money.

they can rationally argue their beliefs, so, i believe them'

i think we had a slight miscommunication there

progressives dont, they just call you names when you ask too many questions

we?

The left having stolen the title of liberals, have just taken their care and fairness slogans

i agree that a lot of liberals really aren't and it's easy to figure out if they are

where do they stand on free, unrestricted speech and the right to assemble with whoever they please

An easier criticism of radical progressives would be to compare the two ends of the political compass. One element being that extreme members of the conservative spectrum - ie. the Alt-Right types - tend to be White Ethno-nationalits while extremists progressives often condemn the Caucasian race as the root of all problems.

IF, they say 'well free speech but they need to use their preferred pronouns" <--- that's not a liberal

The point is *NOT* to focus on the racial elements, but to understand that comparing both ends of the spectrum is one of the best ways to identify an extremist perspective.

In reality they're just power hungry tyrants who think a total flip of the system will put them in a position to occupy the upper rungs of society

agreed

its basically extremely difficult, since there isn't any major party in.. well any country I've heard of, that embodies basically this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/462102922533142558/655295877526716416/unknown.png

as long as we're clear clear we're talking about Liberals OR Lefties, communication will be good

basically all of those major points

agreed

i don't even like the phrase LIBTARD because it refers to lefties who say they're liberals (even if the person using the phrase doesn't know it)

though I often find qualms with laissez-faire

It's important to recognize that the current "Democratic" party is fractioned between different groups with vastly different mindsets.

LEFTARD is fine with me

Radicals, Progressives, and classic liberals being the largest groups.

the issue is too many people including us when we aren't paying specific attention to it for the purposes of discussion like right now, we tie liberal and left together, and conservative and right together.