The opposite is *Order*

I do see "progress" when I see ANTIFA. I think a big mistake we make is that "progress" equates to universal good. They're certainly trying to "progress" things in their own interest, that's for sure.

Understanding these concepts is absolutely neccessary to understand anything about politics

Most people don't understand them, even a lot who are very much into politics

Oh look out ETB saw the Y axis of a political compass and now he’s a genius

Lmaoooo

Yeah oddly enough that's the part most people skip over

The most basic stuff

Wanna fill me in?

Because I notice it’s only me providing actual substantive information rn

You’re simple critiquing with no follow up

Well I mean it's a lot of work to describe different political ideologies

Especially the ones that have been tainted by common misunderstandings

Ok fine I got it

I have a question

I can give an example of something that is almost universally misunderstood

*What is the difference between the Left Wing, and the Right Wing In politics*

Could you answer that?

Yes, but with a caveat

I can describe the difference in a few ways, one are the most commonly understood differences, and two is the most logical difference

Political ideologies as they're commonly understood these days aren't actually logical

I'd estimate they're roughly 30-50% inaccurate depending on where you live

That's a very high error rate and so political labeling becomes meaningless

For example most people think fascism and Nazism are right-wing ideologies. They're not.

But to understand why, one must assume a logical position instead of common labels

A simple reason why fascism can't be right-wing is because it's collectivist. And since capitalism is understood as *not left, but right,* therefore collectivist ideologies (which can't be capitalist), can't be found on the right.

Some people argue that capitalism can be collectivist, but those are complete mongoloids.

So yeah, set up a logical system and you can describe politics properly, but it won't end up resembling the commonly understood labeling.

Perhaps if this all has made sense to you, then you may've noticed that, since fascism isn't right-wing (at least not in a logically consistent way) therefore it must actually be either center or left, and that means if we find any other ideologies on the left, they must resemble fascism in some aspects far more than what is commonly understood.

And that might tell you why it's so important for "the left" to keep the "fascists" on the opposite end of the scale.

Because if people notice how similar they are, that could cause trouble in paradise

Just for reference on the conversation, how do you measure the left-right spectrum?

My own views or the common understanding in the US?

Why not both

My ideal system would be one side (pick any side, so lets say "left" for example) collectivism, therefore the other side individualism.
Second favorite system one side socialism, therefore the other side capitalism.
I prefer the starting point to be collectivism/individualism because the definitions of those terms are cleaner and more concise.

We can add more dimensions, like progressivism/conservatism, which could be the second dimension.

But the first and second dimensions wouldn't be linked, they're independent from one another

That sounds pretty logical

Yeah the two dimensions have to seperate

I think that fascism has more in common with the left side of the spectrum, but I reason it differently

Lol, just realised nvm, what I'm about to describe is basically collectivism vs individualism
Fascism is about a united order, or will of the people, for the people or the state. That seems to me to be quite the opposite philosophy to capitalism, which is all about the individual freedom to do what benefits the individual