Message from @dizzy

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2019-12-18 15:37:25 UTC  

The reason we have the two party system is because it would be a complete waste of time to vote for any other party in an actual election so you would likely need some kind of Proportional representation in order to change that

2019-12-18 15:38:17 UTC  

that or have a proper system to remove and redistribute the delegates from the weaker candidates.

2019-12-18 15:38:32 UTC  

but again, I don't trust them to fix it.

2019-12-18 15:39:11 UTC  

I'm quite sure the original system actually had the states electing delegates and then those delegates electing the president.

2019-12-18 15:39:53 UTC  

and not just because fast communication wasn't an option.

2019-12-18 15:40:36 UTC  

its more centered on the voting process itself. 'first past the post' by its nature whittles down all but two competing parties

2019-12-18 15:40:50 UTC  

seems to be the case.

2019-12-18 15:41:09 UTC  

They could change it to be an STV voting system but it would make counting the votes very difficult to do

2019-12-18 15:41:30 UTC  

its rather insidious how it does so, too, because it relies on the mentality of 'voting against' rather than voting for

2019-12-18 15:41:36 UTC  

yah it could.

2019-12-18 15:42:32 UTC  

ranked choice voting would likely be a beneficial fix

2019-12-18 15:42:39 UTC  

I think what you would want to do is have your first count, then you mark all the ballots with a tag or something.

2019-12-18 15:42:48 UTC  

Is there a difference between "single transferable vote" and "ranked choice"?

2019-12-18 15:43:32 UTC  

especially since.. where was it Ohio? there was a ballot measure to attempt an election with ranked choice votes. the measure passed, and an "emergancy legislative conference" was assembled to nullify it

2019-12-18 15:44:03 UTC  

so the big fish KNOW it threatens their power monopoly

2019-12-18 15:44:30 UTC  

I don't know what flavor it is but Maine has some sort of not "first past the post" voteing.

2019-12-18 15:44:38 UTC  

or duopoly rather

2019-12-18 15:45:39 UTC  

eh, they are bolth happy with eachother, I think it is only the last little bit where the dems have lost the plot and started trying to destroy the repubs.

2019-12-18 15:46:15 UTC  

and the repubs were always happy to just be the opposition party it seems, as they (until trump) were never willing to fight for real.

2019-12-18 16:02:59 UTC  

Republicans pretty much just say whatever they have to say to keep their jobs and then either do nothing or the opposite

2019-12-18 16:03:41 UTC  

For now they pretend to be on Trump team because they don't really have a choice if they wanna get reelected I feel

2019-12-18 16:04:07 UTC  

yah I wouldn't put it past them to flip right back to the same old crap once trump is out.

2019-12-18 16:58:04 UTC  

well yeah, and for the record, you think democrats are being obstructionist? fucks sake, just wait til Republicans are the opposition party again

2019-12-18 16:58:12 UTC  

you'd think Obama got off light

2019-12-18 16:59:26 UTC  

and see I've been sick of the 'god emperor' bullshit from day one.

2019-12-18 17:00:32 UTC  

yeah he's not hitler, and despite my disgust for his weakness toward jihadists, I can't use that alone to say he's even a net negative performer

2019-12-18 17:00:56 UTC  

but god damn, the regency references are nauseating

2019-12-18 17:01:25 UTC  

eh I feel you

2019-12-18 17:01:43 UTC  

I think him being in office buys time before things really go to shit, but

2019-12-18 17:01:56 UTC  

people hold him up high like he's going solve everything

2019-12-18 17:02:22 UTC  

because to my continual annoyance everyone just decides to forget Carrier

2019-12-18 17:03:01 UTC  

"Yes, I'll punish carrier for attempting to ship jobs to mexico"

2019-12-18 17:03:15 UTC  

proceeds to give them tax benefits and save zero jobs

2019-12-18 17:03:24 UTC  

a complete fucking scam

2019-12-18 17:03:32 UTC  

ah that's right

2019-12-18 17:03:50 UTC  

right leaning media only reported the first half as I recall

2019-12-18 17:03:56 UTC  

bending the knee to the red flag laws

2019-12-18 17:04:13 UTC  

so he got credit in public memory where nothing was really done

2019-12-18 17:04:32 UTC  

less than nothing. they got fucking tax credit for it

2019-12-18 17:04:58 UTC  

yea the new gun laws cropping up bother me