although I *did* hear that pence was 'allegedly' involved in ukrainegate too, which implies that they'd try to impeach him after Trump should he actually get convicted

That's because the average American realizes this doesn't have a chance in hell of passing the Senate.

Which is why it's losing support

@Cobra Commander wow

As a perceived waste of everyone's time.

Thats bold

Yep

They just want to get rid of Trump for 2020 or at least delegitimize him. They don't care about anything else

This is like, as close as you can get to a coup without being a *real* coup

Please, spare me the Russiagate / Ukrainegate narrative. There's eminently more evidence implicating Biden's son in actual acts of corruption than a fucking phone call with Trump casually asking for investigations into possible corruption.

in other news Virginia is fighting gun grabs. GOOD LUCK TO YOU

Oh i've talked to people who say the biden stuff was *completely debunked*

Sure it was.

I tried my best to demonstrate how their thought process was retarded, but alas my efforts were in vain

And so I left them retarded

I'll believe it when I see sauce that doesn't list their source as "an unnamed individual"

Or at least have 3 informants

Which isnt a standard anymore

While I'm all about freedom of press, it should be considered journalistic malpractice to spit out an op-ed as factual reporting with "unnamed sources"

I watched a movie recently that had that

And it was a big deal that the person didnt have 3 informants

Ahh the good days

@Mersenne standard was at least 3 informants

one means no story. two means no story. 3 vetted informants run the story

So not just a random person like today

It had to be vetted

and three different people

@Cobra Commander - If anyone tries to refute Biden's sons implication, just ask if they've bothered to read the Horowitz report

Ask if they have read any report \

i'll keep that in mind should it ever come up

If the roles were reversed Biden would be way more guilty than Trump. Roles as in who was president. Its a shame how focused the country has been on impeachment when there are actual real world problems that need to be dealt with. Its a depressing waste of time

they'll probably just reply with a derisive ad hominem tangent though lmao

Exactly. If you had a Republican House and Biden as President, the withholding of military aid to Ukraine to fire a "corrupt prosecutor" investigating a company within *his own country* where Biden's son was collecting 82k a month would be immediate grounds for investigation and impeachment.

@Mersenne Thanks for providing a source to go off of btw. Will try to give it a read

Note - The Horowitz report is more eye-opening on the illigitimate origins of the Steele Dossier, prompting FISA warrants from overhearing bar conversations, which prompted the Russia investigation.

Sounds like a long tedious read

No, it's pretty damn concise

Oh nice

*Correction - the unabridged report is a grueling 416 pages. It's worth reading the summary of findings.

Also, just read up. Most "journalism" today is journalistic malpractice

summary of the Horowitz report?