We have wasted so much money and time in the Middle East and we have gained nothing at all

Just like how so much of America was crying foul over Trump shifting troops in Syria. If America leaves, the ME will go up in flames, and the American people will beg to enter again.

Just leave them to themselves

If they fall apart let the people their pick up the pieces and rebuild

lido

We just shouldn't intervene

the only people complaining about that

were zionists

and neocons

and people bought off in our gov

everyone else was happy that we were leaving the kurds to die

i was actually quite happy

Nice framing of the situation @UnScottable

just look at those who complained

https://www.bitchute.com/video/0JuSut73ymBp/

Anyway, Trump made a point about NATO getting more involved in the Middle East. If he can make that happen, it'll be a load off the US and more of a shared responsibility.

see thats what we need to do

@Lidomite Let me ask you this, What do we actually gain from being in the Middle East?

@UnScottable I mean you straight up saying "leaving the Kurds to die."

trump made a good point

Stability hasn't exactly increased with a US presence their

We are losing more money then we could ever gain their

i mean yea thats a dramatic way to put it but i like to give the left the frame right and then still say HAH guess what

im glad we left them to die

cuz fuck communist muzzies

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Sure, but the vast majority of Americans would disagree with you when presented with that framing.

well you know as well as i do

that its a misleading frame

And that's the rub when shit hits the fan.

Leaving the ME entirely is fantasy. It's not going to happen. There's just too much there and it's clear Trump isn't going to do it. Next best thing is to get the West to play more of a role and it's not just the US taking all the heat.

https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1214952188386127872

https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1214952190604918784

Then, of course, from there, the US can scale back, because the West has more of a role.

i mean we can still influence the region without boots on the ground

as people saw with the killing of soleimani

Replace US troops with French troops or something.

i think trumps idea to let nato get more involved is a good idea and we can still influence the region

and ALSO might i add

that israel has one of the best militaries in the entire world

they can get their hands dirty to oyou know..