Horseshit. According to Marx it's a process and socialism is a stage on the way to communism. Thus every historical notrealcommunism(tm) is in fact an attempted communism.

in a much shorter period of time at that

Countries are supposed to naturally develop from Feudalism to Capitalism to Socialism to Communism

I swear I heard this one story about some bumfuck nowhere village collective in rural china that was basically the world's one and only example of successful communist practice, which basically cements its status as a medieval idea

The USSR skipped Capitalism

The only way "true" communism can ever exist in reality is with a hive mind. That's why all attempts up to this point have attempted to enforce that with the power of the state

This is why we need MERCHANTILISM

That's completely absurd

We need Minarchism

WEll sure the Civil war killed more Americans than any other. But we were fighting the most deadly enemy we had ever faced...... Americans.....

We need authoritarian anarchy

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true

Socialism is not an evolution of Capitalism

to authoritarian anarchy

@Benjamin Henry Arguable

fascism was an evolution of socialism tho

evolution is being used in two different ways here

But first we must complete the Libertarian dictatorship

Democratisation of the Workplace that Socialists want really isn't that bad of an idea

I think facism is a workable communist state

Well to be fair Marx thought (he had a lot of retarded ideas) that socialism and eventually communism would occur in industrial capitalist nations.

but horrible still

We need to ensure people have freedom through violent force

marx thought that socialism was an evolution of capitalism in the same way he thought capitalism was an evolution of feudalism

not at all. by definition communism and the legitimate state cannot coexist

he thought that capitalism would proletarianize the masses paving way for a proletarian revolution and for the proletariat to take the reins of state power from the bourgeoisie

@The Electric Lizard sure, in a certain sense, EVERYTHING is "arguable." But that doesn't mean there's any sort of reasonable grounds for your side of the argument

facism is just communism that works

Well Socialism can improve on Capitalism in many ways

Socialism didn't grow from capitalism, it's a separate system of economics that was built to leech off capitalism. But they're two very separate systems

the way in which fascism was an "evolution" of socialism is quite distinct from this

Of course industrial capitalist nations treat people better than communist ones so communism happened in agrarian feudal nations where there are little means of production to seize.

Like Democratisation of the Workplace that i mentioned before @Benjamin Henry

I mean, in a way that's not untrue, what with the widespread conception of the upper classes as being self-absorbed and an active detriment to the working class

a conception largely produced by evidence and experience, bear in mind

fascists rejected socialism but saw within socialist movements (specifically syndicalist ones) a legitimate movement that should be recognized in its role as an expression of proletarian interests

The only thing fascism could see socialism had a point on was central authority and the supposed grand failure of liberalism

Free Association as much a "democratization of the workplace" as any bullshit Marx ever proposed, and it doesn't require an overthrow of any existing power structures to work

Democratization of the workplace is a fundamentally stupid idea. Here, lets work through it. Say your democratic workplace manages a profit. You hold a vote to;
1. Hire more people and expand
2. Give everyone a raise
3. reduce the work week by 2 hours.

What wins the vote?????

whatever people vote for