i mean i think paying taxes could be made simpler

ok and think about this for just one sec, where does amazon get it's money?

i would grant that i'm less okay with progressive taxes in a country like the united states because i do not want white people to subsidize hispanics and blacks

amazon gets it's money by selling crap, to people.
so if you tax amazon do you think they will just eat that cost?

OR do you think amazon will do like they do with every other part of buisness, and find a way to pass that cost on to their coustumers?

also in an ideal system i think income taxes could maybe be abolished in favor of consumption taxes, property taxes, and revenue gained from state owned enterprise

Its a complicated question. I'm not a fan of taxes. But corporations tend to be able to get out of them. What should a tally hapoen.is an incentive to invest where the money is needed

I'm not a huge fan of either of the main options because I don't think the government or nassive corporations will use the money well

but do you understand that "corporations" don't even really pay the taxes they pay on paper? they HAVE to pass that cost on to the consumer, it's part of busness.

well they don't have to

they can

but oftentimes corporate tax increases are not accompanied by an equivalent increase in prices

yes they do have to pass every cost on to the consumer, if they don't profit they die.

they empirically do not raise prices in proportion to corporate tax increases

sure, it's not a direct thing, how the often deal with it is just not spend that money on the other things they would spend it on.

do you know why it seem like everywhere is always understaffed but still not paying well?
because it cost so much just to hire someone! and if that person doesn't work out all that money is wasted.

i'm sure every employer would love nothing more then just paying everyone an hourly wage and have half again the people they need on staff, and i'm sure the employees would love that as well! because they wouldn't always be working right to the wire on everything.

and half of the "they don't pay the taxes" are things like setting up their HQ somewhere so they save on registration costs.

I worked for a place where they had their on paper HQ in another state so they could have all the trucks registration in those states, this office had 4 people in it.
the real main office had something like 15 or 20.

that's how they "get around taxes" they are playing WELL inside the rules.

and what is more important to you? taxing the profit out of an employer or then being able to hire more people? what do you think would be better for the poor?

i mean to be fair i don't necessarily know if corporate taxes are good, however i would prefer to just change the way investment and ownership is handled

I can agree with you that big corp is bad, but guess what big corp takes care of itself!

i would just prefer to have most investment into large enterprises be state directed

if left alone a big corp once it over grows itself will just die and be picked apart by other smaller groups.

please point me to a government run program that does it's job well with out cost over runs.

with a mandated share of capital stock for a labor organization representing labor within the firm holding at least as much as the conventional stock held by private proprietors

"that does it's job well with out cost over runs"

what do you mean by that

how about a road department that has good roads with out being over budget?

a brige that was built early and cheaper the was quoted while being better then promised?

well again i would say that liberal governments are inefficient by design

so why do you want the governments running things?

and corporations here would not be equivalent to the sort of government programs you're talking about

i want the government to be more efficient

not gonna happen, the government has no REASON to be more efficient.

we could start by scrapping congress and replacing the president with an elected monarch

would you be ok when Trump gets elected to that spot?

or would you whine about him being all powerfull?

certainly not my first choice but i'd take it

sure, well about half of the US wouldn't, they couldn't even take him for 4 years being the president.