and what is more important to you? taxing the profit out of an employer or then being able to hire more people? what do you think would be better for the poor?

i mean to be fair i don't necessarily know if corporate taxes are good, however i would prefer to just change the way investment and ownership is handled

I can agree with you that big corp is bad, but guess what big corp takes care of itself!

i would just prefer to have most investment into large enterprises be state directed

if left alone a big corp once it over grows itself will just die and be picked apart by other smaller groups.

please point me to a government run program that does it's job well with out cost over runs.

with a mandated share of capital stock for a labor organization representing labor within the firm holding at least as much as the conventional stock held by private proprietors

"that does it's job well with out cost over runs"

what do you mean by that

how about a road department that has good roads with out being over budget?

a brige that was built early and cheaper the was quoted while being better then promised?

well again i would say that liberal governments are inefficient by design

so why do you want the governments running things?

and corporations here would not be equivalent to the sort of government programs you're talking about

i want the government to be more efficient

not gonna happen, the government has no REASON to be more efficient.

we could start by scrapping congress and replacing the president with an elected monarch

would you be ok when Trump gets elected to that spot?

or would you whine about him being all powerfull?

certainly not my first choice but i'd take it

sure, well about half of the US wouldn't, they couldn't even take him for 4 years being the president.

sure and that's part of the problem with the system

so let me ask you something, because we aint getting anywhere here.

why does the owner of a bussness owe it to their employees?

they owe it to the nation

so lets say I own a transport truck that i bought by saveing up my own money, and I deside insted of driveing it myself i'm gonna hire someone to drive it.
why should that hireling get ownership of the truck I bought myself?

because that is what you are saying, just on a larger scale.

how about a chair factroy? I started out just building the chairs myself but i bought better tools and now demand is outstriping my abilty to build the chairs so I hire someone.
why should they own part of my workshop?

how do i contact a mod?

would a mod be able to jump into the long walls pls

no idea, not here.

@Kingy200 is unable to access the us politics and either has his rank bugged or banned for no reason, so if a mod could msg him that would be appriciated

thank you - the chef

hmm... best i can offer is "check the rules for advice"

@ARockRaider depends on how much you own

why does it matter how much I own? why should I be forced to give my equpment to people i just hired?

at a certain level labor and the state should get a share, to ensure that capital is not used against their interests

because the degree to which capital is concentrated affects the degree to which your firm becomes an institution with political power

well here is how you protect yourself form anything any employer could ever do to you, save around 6 months of expences, if you employer does something you don't llike, leave you have 6 months to find another job or even make one yourself.

if you want to talk about capital being used against an employees interests take a look at what unions have become.

and what you are talking about isn't much better then how shareholders are now, might even be worse.

how would you even fire someone in that situation?