Message from @Ordis

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2020-02-13 16:00:21 UTC  

And then for the same community to call me a white supremacist? Yea no, fuck off

2020-02-13 16:00:30 UTC  

Ok, so, in your time volunteering, did you ever encounter people who were the victims of crime?

2020-02-13 16:01:10 UTC  

A quarter of them. One in particular that made me sick. Child was sexually abused by a mother's BF

2020-02-13 16:01:17 UTC  

ok

2020-02-13 16:01:40 UTC  

So ... raping a child is obviously a horrible thing. Probably the *most* horrible thing, yes?

2020-02-13 16:01:52 UTC  

Yes. Get to the point

2020-02-13 16:02:10 UTC  

How did you interact with the child?

2020-02-13 16:02:36 UTC  

The most? no ... transitioning them is worse ... sexual trauma can be buried in memory and forgotten

2020-02-13 16:02:49 UTC  

transitioning can't

2020-02-13 16:02:54 UTC  

I did say probably

2020-02-13 16:03:21 UTC  

I was not told of which child. The section I was in was running activities and reading exercises for specific groups and then a rotation based on the group I'm assigned w/and their age. The child's identity was kept private/confidential and was an ongoing investigation. So us (the volunteers) have no idea who other than the 1 staff that reported the signs

2020-02-13 16:04:10 UTC  

We were merely told that we need to keep this as a private affair and that they are informed of a ongoing investigation. To also look for other signs for othe rkids at the group

2020-02-13 16:05:09 UTC  

Which serves as a function not just for confidentiality and privacy protection for the kid. But stops US, the volunteers from giving undue or overwhelming extra attention to the victim whereby making them feel different or uncomfortable from the group. This may be the only venue of equal treatment and normalcy for them.

2020-02-13 16:05:19 UTC  

Marching off a cliff but nobody has the common sense to yell "Stop!"

2020-02-13 16:05:42 UTC  
2020-02-13 16:06:18 UTC  

Ok so ... you didn't know this child was hurt. So if you were reading to the child and the child started acting up and misbehaving or breaking down into depression and not paying attention, or basically doing anything other than what the other kids were doing while you read to them ... your first instinct might be to tell them to get their act together, right?

But then, if you knew what they felt, how they were hurt, you'd treat them differently, right? You'd treat them with love and pity and sympathy and compassion, even though it's not your child, right? They're not *your* responsibility. You didn't do this to them, and maybe you'd forgive them if they told a grown-up off who wasn't understanding. Right?

2020-02-13 16:07:04 UTC  

They became my responsibility the moment I enlisted to volunteer. Way different scenario from engaging in a conversation w/an adult. This is an extreme form of false equivocation

2020-02-13 16:07:39 UTC  

But what about your nonexistent child's nonexistent feelings <:why:462286147473637407>

2020-02-13 16:07:41 UTC  

I knew full well what I was getting into. That wasn't my 1st rodeo

2020-02-13 16:07:49 UTC  

Maru, you're basically saying BLM are children, and I would technically agree with you.

2020-02-13 16:08:36 UTC  

To me it sounds more like treat them like children

2020-02-13 16:09:43 UTC  

Yes... we're going in circles atm around 1 overriding theme. They're children and are incapable of handling their emotions... which is probably the most benign explanation of their actions compared to the more malignant one, power grabbing

2020-02-13 16:10:48 UTC  

power grabbing is way too smart a motive for it to be accurate

2020-02-13 16:10:51 UTC  

Sigh ... well, I can almost guarantee that, were I in that same situation, the same would not have happened to me. Even though I agree with you on all the stats and everything. Because how I would have handled it would have been different.

I wouldn't have said what you said. "What's that? You think *I'M* a white supremacist? Oh my god, why would you say that? What? No, *of course* black lives matter. I agree, there are racists in this country and times when police use excessive force, but hold on, it's more nuanced than that ..."

And then see how it goes from there. Pacing and leading.

Again, I get that you're not interested in helping them and it's not your job to help them, but do you think that maybe, just maybe, she'd have reacted differently to what I said vs what you said?

2020-02-13 16:11:42 UTC  

I tried that in the past. Got me no where lol

2020-02-13 16:11:58 UTC  

You're talking to someone who volunteered in the inner city ghettos for 3 yrs...

2020-02-13 16:12:06 UTC  

Remind me again what you said to this woman before she went off about lynchings?

2020-02-13 16:12:17 UTC  

<-- Lived in a ghetto for 6 years

2020-02-13 16:13:02 UTC  

tldr was how she should not be so casually using the word "crackers" when addressing white ppl. How would she feel if some white person used the "n" word to address black ppl? And then she replied w/that rofl

2020-02-13 16:13:27 UTC  

That shit escalated right quick

2020-02-13 16:13:53 UTC  

Remind me what she said before that?

2020-02-13 16:14:38 UTC  

Paraphrased theme is boiled down to - White ppl needs to move aside for black ppl in society

2020-02-13 16:15:19 UTC  

The non-paraphrased version is actually more useful to me here, so I can think about what she wanted without it filtered through you

2020-02-13 16:15:31 UTC  

I'm coming into this convo midway as she's mouthing off loudly at a reception area to set things in context. It's meant ot be a professional networking event

2020-02-13 16:15:41 UTC  

based on what she ACTUALLY said, not what you interpreted her as having said

2020-02-13 16:16:13 UTC  

Well unless they had a Recording device that is going to be hard when you come midway in convo

2020-02-13 16:16:26 UTC  

I'll settle for close enough

2020-02-13 16:16:47 UTC  

What?

2020-02-13 16:17:00 UTC  

Hi

2020-02-13 16:17:08 UTC  

Hello