>Individuals form collectives to cooperate with each other. Even in free markets with corporations
I explained that to you before. "a collective" and "collectivism" are not the same thing.

they had the same starvation problems after the adoption of freer markets lol

there was no magical change between the two

Yes, we're so starved rn now that we're fing obese

@ETBrooD well I’m sorry I don’t pay attention to small details

It's not a detail, it's a significant difference 😉

just because they had less food per person than now doesnt mean they were starving lol

Why so? @ETBrooD

most of the food we eat today is unnecessar calories after all

If I gave you the option, either you die or your entire family and friend group dies, what would you pick? @ETBrooD

weve had plenty of famines under free market conditions

Collectivism is an ideology which demands the survival of the collective to be put above the wants and needs of the individual.
A collective is simply a group of individuals, they don't have to abandon individualism.

the most notable one probably being during the great depressiona nd dust bowl

Actually hold on a second

Then individualism would be putting the individual needs and wants above the collectives?

Yes

Why can’t their be a balance between these things?

and yeah most everyone is collectivist on some level

Surely this is a false dichotomy

Well you can take a centrist stance on individualism/collectivism if you like

well market isnt exactly free with food production here is it? government subsidises farmers all the time.

@Frost509 the market isnt very free anywhere

but its much fairer in food production than most any industry at least

It's not a false dichotomy, it's a scale. The more you demand that the individual wants and needs be put above the collective, the more individualist you are.

And, a collective is a *collection* of individuals so wouldn’t collectivism simply be individualism added up?

the great depression/dust bowl was self inflicted via govt intervention. The markets was recovering BEFORE the govt stepped in to 'fix' the problem. It was only after the govt stepped in did the great depression really kick off. Learn history plz

You're quite literally talking out of your ass at this pt

if you consider soldiers in a major war

i wasnt really making any kind of point just pointing it out since the conversation is about starvation and free markets

> And, a collective is a *collection* of individuals so wouldn’t collectivism simply be individualism added up?
No, lol

or was

are they collectivists for risking their lives for their countries?

because they arent deserting?

@Frost509 the subsidies are recent anyway

the great depression era was much freer than todays farms

You have to learn to make a distinction between the presence of a collective, and the ideology of collectivism. Likewise there's a difference between the lack of a collective, and the ideology of individualism.

and look how that went

individuals protecting the land that protects the ability to be an individual? maybe

and etbrood you are retarded

no u

there is literally no point to using the term collectivism